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#321 bm_cali

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 10:41 PM

Lugarized, as in, being mentored by Richard Lugar. Big O developed a taste for pie crust treaties.

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Posted 16 April 2010 - 02:50 AM

Ahhh, thanks. I'll do a little reading on that.
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Posted 14 May 2010 - 07:29 PM

"Some days I ask myself if Russians want to successfully start a Right Wing rebellion in the USA. In other words, Left supports Right against the liberals while at the same time Left plays the liberals too. In other words, supporting both sides so that strife becomes a reality."


I give this idea a lot of thought. We know the Soviets anticipated the posibility that the US might swing violently to the right toward the end of TFP (in which case we would probably see rocket day), but so far they (and the American hard left) have completley failed to ilicit much of anything irational or violent from the right, tea party, etc. whatsoever. This has to be frustrating for them.

The tea party is amazing to me - the fact that it is not organized, has no leader per se, and is decentralized, makes it difficult to infiltrate and probably impossible to mount a provocation attack on. If you show up at a tea party with anything racist, overtly hateful, etc, you are told to leave. How to discredit it and take it out? I can't think of any way to do it.

Having said that, I beleive we have entered a different phase of grey terror, as the Soviets seem to be engaging in increasingly high risk behavior.

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 10:05 PM

The tea party is amazing to me - the fact that it is not organized, has no leader per se, and is decentralized, makes it difficult to infiltrate and probably impossible to mount a provocation attack on. If you show up at a tea party with anything racist, overtly hateful, etc, you are told to leave. How to discredit it and take it out? I can't think of any way to do it.

Sun Tzu said of formations- The best formation is formlessness. Make the back the front and the front the back with five heads and five tails.

Formlessness is both that which has made the communist movement so dangerous and that which makes the TEA party movement a rising force of effective resistance within our nation.

The ultimate skill is to take up a position where you are formless. If you are formless, the most penetrating spies will not be able to discern you, or the wisest counsels will not be able to do calculations against you. With formation, the army achieves victories yet they do not understand how. Everyone knows the formation by which you achieved victory, yet no one knows the formations by which you were able to create victory. Therefore, your strategy for victories in battle is not repetitious, and your formations in response to the enemy are endless. The army's formation is like water. The water's formation avoids the high and rushes to the low. So an army's formation avoids the strong and rushes to the weak. Water's formation adapts to the ground when flowing. So then an army's formation adapts to the enemy to achieve victory. Therefore, an army does not have constant force, or have constant formation. Those who are able to adapt and change in accord with the enemy and achieve victory are called divine. http://www.sonshi.com/sun6.htm

When I have heard people say- "What the TEA parties need is a clear leadership and clear structure", I have at times, out loud, yelled NO! Clear leadership creates a clear organization which opens a path for planned subversion, coordinated attack and ultimate defeat. The TEA party as it exists today, is a common sense community of informed and independent-thinking individuals (patriots). The common thread that holds the TEA parties together is, of all things, love. Love of country, love of the constitution and love of freedom.

The TEA parties will need the ability to morph and adapt over time to the coming communist challenges. However, as long as the common thread remains, the TEA parties will remain an effective resistance movement against the globalists. The decentralized nature of the TEA party is one of its greatest strengths.

The skillful tactician may be likened to the shuai-jan. Now the shuai-jan is a snake that is found in the ChUng mountains. Strike at its head, and you will be attacked by its tail; strike at its tail, and you will be attacked by its head; strike at its middle, and you will be attacked by head and tail both. http://www.dantaylor.com/books/suntzuartofwar.pdf



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Posted 14 May 2010 - 11:30 PM

"Some days I ask myself if Russians want to successfully start a Right Wing rebellion in the USA. In other words, Left supports Right against the liberals while at the same time Left plays the liberals too. In other words, supporting both sides so that strife becomes a reality."


I give this idea a lot of thought. We know the Soviets anticipated the posibility that the US might swing violently to the right toward the end of TFP (in which case we would probably see rocket day), but so far they (and the American hard left) have completley failed to ilicit much of anything irational or violent from the right, tea party, etc. whatsoever. This has to be frustrating for them.

The tea party is amazing to me - the fact that it is not organized, has no leader per se, and is decentralized, makes it difficult to infiltrate and probably impossible to mount a provocation attack on. If you show up at a tea party with anything racist, overtly hateful, etc, you are told to leave. How to discredit it and take it out? I can't think of any way to do it.

Having said that, I beleive we have entered a different phase of grey terror, as the Soviets seem to be engaging in increasingly high risk behavior.

They don't have to infiltrate all of the Tea Party to have great negative effect. They only have to infiltrate one (I don't know a lot about the tp's, but I'm assuming they're largely based on cities). If they can push one TP branch/chapter/whatever or even one individual who is heavily associated with the TP to violence, that might bring about Draconian repression against the movement which might cripple or crush it, OR might push other branches or members of the TP to violence in response, possibly even bringing about civil war. They can very easily AT THE LEAST seriously damage or discredit the movement by controlling only a small part of it.

Another scenario:

They could quite easily get the right person or small group of people into a position where they can influence some of the least stable members. Naturally, it will get traced back to them, and as, say, the president or treasurer or whatever of a particular branch, the public's ire and the gov't's response will get directed at AT LEAST that branch, if not the movement in general. If they have set up a predetermined chain of evidentiary links to another chapter (say for example two such scenarios as I've just laid out, at two different branches of the TP), well then there's an obvious conspiracy going on among the leadership of the TP (just as they want people to think) and that would provoke a truly strong response against it.

Very, very easily done, I'm afraid.....

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 11:58 PM

"Some days I ask myself if Russians want to successfully start a Right Wing rebellion in the USA. In other words, Left supports Right against the liberals while at the same time Left plays the liberals too. In other words, supporting both sides so that strife becomes a reality."


I give this idea a lot of thought. We know the Soviets anticipated the posibility that the US might swing violently to the right toward the end of TFP (in which case we would probably see rocket day), but so far they (and the American hard left) have completley failed to ilicit much of anything irational or violent from the right, tea party, etc. whatsoever. This has to be frustrating for them.

The tea party is amazing to me - the fact that it is not organized, has no leader per se, and is decentralized, makes it difficult to infiltrate and probably impossible to mount a provocation attack on. If you show up at a tea party with anything racist, overtly hateful, etc, you are told to leave. How to discredit it and take it out? I can't think of any way to do it.

Having said that, I beleive we have entered a different phase of grey terror, as the Soviets seem to be engaging in increasingly high risk behavior.


Ironically I've thought the same for a while now... It's my belief that they (Soviets) will keep hammering us by flip-flopping the nation with right-wing and left-wing political establishments until we reach a boiling point. The boiling point being riots in almost every city of America. Too much leftist government (i.e. Obama's) in the U.S. and it might very well not see another Democrat hold office in the next 50 years, thus securing right wing political victory and mindset. Leftists in the government would be overthrown as America is still too much in tune to what's going on. The understanding of the threats of communism isn't completely dead in America. Do enough damage too soon and even most of the leftists will turn against the establishment.

It's also important to realize that Russia would also be just as freaked out if America makes a hard left as opposed to a hard right. A shift too far to the left that turns us communist doesn't guarantee that we wouldn't be a monster they can't control and would turn on them. A divided country without a focused aim or universal belief would serve their interests best. They have to keep flip-flopping the political spectrum. They may suffer setbacks from time to time, but their long-term strategy versus our 5 second attention span will prevail. We're at a very crucial pivot point where this could be it. Salinsky, Cloward and Piven would be proud of everything achieved thus far.

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 10:42 AM

If you show up at a tea party with anything racist, overtly hateful, etc, you are told to leave. How to discredit it and take it out? I can't think of any way to do it.


I can. Just tell lies about it.
Get some cameras, dress some people up in neo-Nazi uniforms, give them banners with "racist" content, have them wave the banners and shout while you film - and there you go. Footage of how racist the "Tea Party" movement is.

Oh, and keep the propaganda mill going all-out - people who oppose Obama do so because he's black, they are rich bigots who don't want to shaaare their vast wealth with all the poor, downtrodden people of colour, good Americans are those who always trust that their government knows best, blah blah blah.

None of it need bear the slightest resemblance to reality. This is the thing you need to remember when dealing with the hard Left -they are shameless liars.
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Posted 15 May 2010 - 10:51 PM

It's my belief that they will keep hammering us by flip-flopping the nation with right-wing and left-wing political establishments until we reach a boiling point.


I'd have to disagree with this sentiment. A true right-wing government would only strengthen and rebuild America. Unless you're talking about faux conservatives(which aren't really 'rightwing' at all then), I don't see any way that Russia would want a rightwing government. In fact, I think this swinging pendulum is a danger they DON'T WANT and are painfully cognizant of.

The problem with leftists is that eventually they have to unmask themselves in order to truly accomplish their designs and it is at that exact moment that they must work as fast as possible before the public awakens and strips them of power.

This small window of time is CRUCIAL to communists, but also extremely dangerous because it requires them to reveal who they really are. I think Obama did this and that is why he is working as fast as possible. The public woke up(at least partially) and is preparing to strip them of power. This is why I am concerned about the upcoming elections.

What will the American communist Left, influenced if not controlled by the KGB, do now that they realize they are about to be condemned to another 40 years in the political wilderness situation? This seems like a moment when they will be at their most calculatingly reckless and most likely to try something extremely dangerous, unpredictable, and explosive.

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 12:32 AM

I'd have to disagree with this sentiment. A true right-wing government would only strengthen and rebuild America. Unless you're talking about faux conservatives(which aren't really 'rightwing' at all then), I don't see any way that Russia would want a rightwing government. In fact, I think this swinging pendulum is a danger they DON'T WANT and are painfully cognizant of.


Your disagreement is only a misunderstanding. I hold the belief that the Republicans aren't truly right-wing anymore. They're progressive socialists with a pocket of true conservatives here and there with no voice. Democrats have turned into Marxists and Republicans have gone socialist.

The problem with leftists is that eventually they have to unmask themselves in order to truly accomplish their designs and it is at that exact moment that they must work as fast as possible before the public awakens and strips them of power.

This small window of time is CRUCIAL to communists, but also extremely dangerous because it requires them to reveal who they really are. I think Obama did this and that is why he is working as fast as possible. The public woke up(at least partially) and is preparing to strip them of power. This is why I am concerned about the upcoming elections.


These elections won't change a thing even if we see Republicans controlling both the house and the senate. There's too many Scott Browns in the party and at best we'll have a lame duck president with tzars whom are still accountable to none. Obama has all his pieces in place. They'll still be the same clowns running the circus that brought us fiscal socialism during Bush's tenure. By the time the Republicans take over the economy could very well be in steep economic decline and once again it's the liberal's opportunity to blame Republicans for it by deadlocking Washington and getting nothing done. Come 2012 they'll be replaced by God knows what. The Clown in Chief has a lot of tricks up his sleeve and is craftier than most in shifting blame.

What will the American communist Left, influenced if not controlled by the KGB, do now that they realize they are about to be condemned to another 40 years in the political wilderness situation? This seems like a moment when they will be at their most calculatingly reckless and most likely to try something extremely dangerous, unpredictable, and explosive.


Quite possibly, but then again, as I previously stated, they have long-term goals and stick to them unlike us. They'll wait us out another 40 years if they have to. Meanwhile, when you look at it as one unit, this country doesn't even know if it wants Democracy anymore. None of this is probably what anyone wanted to hear, but I've come to the realization that politicians on both side of the aisle are all the same with the exception of a select few. I'd rather speak my conscience rather than lie and paint everything as happy times in regards to what I witness when I explain my position. Vote all you want, I can almost guarantee the flight path doesn't change.

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 05:44 AM

I hold the belief that the Republicans aren't truly right-wing anymore. They're progressive socialists with a pocket of true conservatives here and there with no voice. Democrats have turned into Marxists and Republicans have gone socialist.

Your belief is valid... and has been for a long time. For the Republicans, it began with McCarthy's unfounded censure in the early 1950's and ended with Goldwater's defeat in 1964. By the time Nixon made it into office, the communist/socialists had successfully won both sides.

This is clearly outlined in the book The Naked Capitalist, by W. Cleon Skousen, Copyright 1970.
On McCarthy's censure, Skousen references a 1962 book by Edward Bennett Williams entitled One Man's Freedom.
On Goldwater's defeat, Skousen references a 1965 book by Stephen Shadegg entitled What Happened to Goldwater?

Backing up your statement, Skousen published the following in 1970 (page 120 of The Naked Capitalist) -

"The Republicans, on the other hand, have been identified as the genuinely "conservative" party which it has NOT been for a full generation. Whenever it has been in power it has tried to out-do the Democrats in both spending and big government. Its leaders have been largely Establishment figures serving as a backstop for the Democrats in case the Democrats fell out of favor with the public. Establishment Republicans have always insisted that the ideological base of the party be stretched out far enough to include a powerful Left-wing segment because they claimed that was the only way to obtain or retain power."

Keep in mind that the Nixon administration was working for free trade with Mao Tse Tung's Communist China even while our men were fighting Mao Tse Tung's Communist Troops in Viet Nam.
E. Richard Barnes Letter- Nixon Free Trade with China 1971

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 07:13 PM

Last summer I had the good fortune of breaking my foot, thus giving me a lot of time to read. One of the books I scarfed down was Skousens 800+ page book "The Substance and Meaning of the Constitution". The book has some flaws (it's treatment of the subject of slavery in particular) but apart from that a stupendous work. On NPR not too long ago I heard some guy deriding "Skousenism" which was interesting. I think someone on here on the board said "If your taking flak, your over the target", so this vein the response by the left to Skousens works are telling. The Naked Communist is bizzarre in it's prescience, almost to the point of being Golitsyn like.

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 10:59 PM

On that note, Orly Taitz is running for Secretary of State here in CA.

People are so stupid these days she just might win!

Beware of Birchers, birthers and faux "Rightists."

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 10:29 PM

http://www.financial...-the-terror-war

From this week's Financial Sense column:

We are talking about a handful of Americans who want to burn a book. For someone who loves books, for those that believe in due respect for friends and enemies, the proposed burning is rude. It is a sign of disrespect. One may disagree with Islam. One may worry that Islam represents a hostile and alien ideology; but disrespecting someone else's religion is not good manners. The fact is, America needs friends in the Muslim world. America as a country has tried to show friendship for Muslims. And yet, our freedom of speech must remain sacrosanct. It would be a serious breech of our own traditions to suppress those who would burn the Koran.

Muslims need to understand that American ways are different from Islamic ways. And we have been very generous, opening our country to Muslim immigration. President Bush went so far as to call Islam "the religion of peace." President Obama went further by apologizing to Islam for past mistakes. These verbal statements reflect a sincere desire for peace. After all, America has been an ally of the Saudi kingdom for the last sixty-five years. We have economic interests at stake as well.

But there is no symmetry in our relationship with Islam. They do not allow Christianity to be preached in Saudi Arabia, nor would they allow the construction of Christian Churches; but America allows Muslims to immigrate here and proselytize and build mosques. In this relationship there is no two-way street. And so, our freedom of speech is suddenly held hostage. We are in the following position: If a small group of Americans want to burn the Koran, we are threatened with an outbreak of Muslim violence. On the other side, if an Arab mob burns the American flag there is no threat of retaliation against the Muslim world. We are being bullied into giving up our principles which are no less disrespected by those demanding special consideration for themselves!


This is just what I've been thinking since the beginning of this controversy. How much greater sacrilege and blasphemy against what Christians and Jews hold dear is merely winked at, or actually supported and applauded, in Islamic countries?

The quote ending the column is an apt description of most members of our "cultural elite" today:

Despite what happened on 9/11, in our own midst, there are those who may be described in the poet's immortal words:

"A steady patriot of the world alone,

"The friend of every country but his own."



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Posted 11 September 2010 - 03:29 PM

On that note, Orly Taitz is running for Secretary of State here in CA.

People are so stupid these days she just might win!

Beware of Birchers, birthers and faux "Rightists."

there are reports at strategiccrisis.com that Orly has actualy studied Russian in Russia... tsk tsktsk...

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 03:58 PM

there are reports at strategiccrisis.com that Orly has actualy studied Russian in Russia... tsk tsktsk...


She is utterly Russian. There are many of them in So Cal (as well as here in the North).

Sometimes heard on Melrose, in various shops:

"You vant buy nize zunglass?"

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 03:27 PM

She is utterly Russian. There are many of them in So Cal (as well as here in the North).

Sometimes heard on Melrose, in various shops:

"You vant buy nize zunglass?"

LOL!

eh eh, never mind, then... it was about her multilinguistic abilities or something, I do not remember. I'll try and figure where that comment was at. But she is apparently no dummy and considered top echellon.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 03:40 PM

Ah, also, regarding Orly, it's interesting how they operate, hijacking every dissident movement, acting as priests publicly and then waging file searching position privately... kind of like someone making a gay like home for high officials and generals, and then waiting for the shoe to drop to take their positions, while they have little credence technicaly and none politicaly. It's a cult of "decompetencing" and homelessing their host targets. They are there in "confident" and comforting positions, all the time, creepy.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 02:58 PM

Jeff concisely, and with specificity, summarizes what he has been saying for the past decade and a half. I recommend forwarding a link to this article to all of the opened minded friends/colleagues in your address book.

http://www.financial...will-understand

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 05:23 PM

On that note, Orly Taitz is running for Secretary of State here in CA.

People are so stupid these days she just might win!

Beware of Birchers, birthers and faux "Rightists."


I don't like the perjorative term "birthers".

Until Obama stops spending millions of dollars fighting these lawsuits instead of producing a $12 document, there will ALWAYS be questions swirling around this issue.

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 02:46 AM

http://www.financial...in-the-far-east

This is a great piece that ties together the recent threat in Korea and how it all ties to Russia, China, the Scissors Strategy, Golitsyn, etc.

(I've also placed this link to the top tacked thread, TFP 101.)