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#1 Ipcress

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 08:37 PM

I'm still not a huge fan of Romney, but at the very least he is a confirmed capitalist. After seeing this he may have earned my vote:

Romney Names Russia as Foe of the US
http://www.trevorlou...-foe-of-the-us/

To quote the great Trevor Loudon, "My estimation of Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney has risen considerably after this."

Does Romney "get it"? He's the only major politician I know of who's dared to mention Russia in this manner.
The administration has already pounced on him for being an ignorant cold war throwback. I hope he's got the testicular fortitude to make national defense a major campaign issue. Then again, that may just be wishful thinking.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 03:12 AM

Romney is a professional opportunist and incredibly unethical on top of that. He made this point because of Obama's very public gaffe. He goes where the wind blows, and I doubt he has any real knowledge of the true nature of Moscow.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 04:21 AM

I was also very encouraged to hear him speak about Russia in the way he did. He's not the best, but he's certainly much better than the worst: BHO.

The fact that he's Morman is a plus as far as him likely being ethical (so Apollo, your statements surprise me as I don't have a lot of knowof what you speak).

In any event, I don't think Russia is very happy about the prospects of a President Romney. Either way, though, they have Plan A & B ready to proceed with.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 01:51 PM

It's because of his campaign tactics. His campaign ads have been highly deceptive and have been aimed at destroying his opponents. I haven't seen any real debate about actual ideas between the candidates since this ugly primary has started. It's all about twisting what someone has said, torturing their history and reinventing them in your campaign ads or speeches as something ugly and in need of being destroyed. Mind you, even the other guy, Rick Santorum, was involved in it. When Romney was deceptively pointing out that Newt had been accused of I don't know how many ethics violations, Santorum was running ads calling Herman Cain "pro-baby murder" and "pro-tax increase." As far as I'm concerned, the fact that our top candidates can get away with stuff like this without much comment from folks is evidence of how shallow and fallen the GOP has become.

Romney's record is also one of opportunism. For example, in 94 (I think it was 94) when he ran against Ted Kennedy, he ran on a "I'm not Ronald Reagan" platform. I've read some articles from that time period from conservative writers which are, almost word for word, the same type of articles by conservatives written against Romney today. He was called a "pretty face" who ran on the GOP ticket but as a mushy moderate just pushing different ways to increase the scope of government. The conservatives in that state were so disappointed they actually considered forming a third party outside of the GOP to run their own candidates. Romney lost against Kennedy because he sounded just like him. He couldn't unite the conservatives in his own state and didn't present much of a difference for them anyway. (Even now, Romney denies the fact that he actually promoted Romneycare as a model for a national system.) And I have no reason to believe that Romney won't follow GOP Politics 101 and move only slightly to the right of Obama when we get to the general election. It's what he did in his own home state. His campaign against Kennedy will be his blueprint for his campaign against Obama... and he will lose, again. Because, let's face it, a huckster like Obama is more attractive than a huckster like Romney. It's also incredibly easy to use Mormonism against him, since the Mormons have many strange beliefs and weird practices. This will be spotlighted during the general, guaranteed.

It also doesn't help that Romney's platform isn't that incredibly different from Obama's. The only positive side is that Romney probably isn't a closet Communist agent. Other than that, he is a mediocre candidate for a country that has embraced mediocrity.

As for Mormonism, keep in mind Harry Reid is also a Mormon. Doesn't mean much.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:07 AM

It's because of his campaign tactics. His campaign ads have been highly deceptive and have been aimed at destroying his opponents. I haven't seen any real debate about actual ideas between the candidates since this ugly primary has started. It's all about twisting what someone has said, torturing their history and reinventing them in your campaign ads or speeches as something ugly and in need of being destroyed. Mind you, even the other guy, Rick Santorum, was involved in it. When Romney was deceptively pointing out that Newt had been accused of I don't know how many ethics violations, Santorum was running ads calling Herman Cain "pro-baby murder" and "pro-tax increase." As far as I'm concerned, the fact that our top candidates can get away with stuff like this without much comment from folks is evidence of how shallow and fallen the GOP has become.

Romney's record is also one of opportunism. For example, in 94 (I think it was 94) when he ran against Ted Kennedy, he ran on a "I'm not Ronald Reagan" platform. I've read some articles from that time period from conservative writers which are, almost word for word, the same type of articles by conservatives written against Romney today. He was called a "pretty face" who ran on the GOP ticket but as a mushy moderate just pushing different ways to increase the scope of government. The conservatives in that state were so disappointed they actually considered forming a third party outside of the GOP to run their own candidates. Romney lost against Kennedy because he sounded just like him. He couldn't unite the conservatives in his own state and didn't present much of a difference for them anyway. (Even now, Romney denies the fact that he actually promoted Romneycare as a model for a national system.) And I have no reason to believe that Romney won't follow GOP Politics 101 and move only slightly to the right of Obama when we get to the general election. It's what he did in his own home state. His campaign against Kennedy will be his blueprint for his campaign against Obama... and he will lose, again. Because, let's face it, a huckster like Obama is more attractive than a huckster like Romney. It's also incredibly easy to use Mormonism against him, since the Mormons have many strange beliefs and weird practices. This will be spotlighted during the general, guaranteed.

It also doesn't help that Romney's platform isn't that incredibly different from Obama's. The only positive side is that Romney probably isn't a closet Communist agent. Other than that, he is a mediocre candidate for a country that has embraced mediocrity.

As for Mormonism, keep in mind Harry Reid is also a Mormon. Doesn't mean much.


Wow. That's sobering.

In any event, all I can do is vote for him as the not-a-closet-communist-candidate.

From TFP perspective, I don't think we have much more time.

It's sad to see this once great republic devolve like this.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:30 AM

I'm about to get religious here, but in my personal opinion a Romney nomination would suggest that God has given us up to delusion. The scripture states that it is God who is ultimately in control of who becomes a leader. In this case, Obama is certainly a punishment, and perhaps his first 4 years was a warning, and now a Romney nomination would mean that there is no going back for the United States. Unless a miracle happens, we're going to get stuck with incompetent and untrustworthy leadership one way or the other. It's time we stopped looking to our elected leaders to save us, and instead start getting closer to God before the future unfolds itself. Our leaders are incompetent, the whole lot of them. Even our "heroes" are not heroic but instead spend most of their time confused and lost, and soon even they will be washed away by the coming waters. We are not privy to all the details of God's plans and can only wait and trust in Him for our own personal salvation. Perhaps it is necessary for the devil to be allowed a little space and some temporary victories so that the world can see the error of their ways. Whatever the case, we should pray for mercy on our country or for just a little more time to awaken it from its sleep.

I remember Nyquist's observations on King Lear and our society. The more I think about that story, the more I realize how applicable the world of King Lear is to our own.

"Let us consider Shakespeare's King Lear: The old king is absorbed in satisfying his own private vanity. the characters are atomized . . . Shakespeare shows us how, in this situation, treason becomes commonplace: brother turns against brother, daughter betrays father, the guest murders his host even as the wife abuses her husband, and so on. The honest man is banished from the kingdom. The flatterer is elevated. True love is despised and false love is believed. There isn't any motherhood in the play. All the women are barren, implying that the future has been taken away. The old man goes insane. The young man, to survive, must pretend that he's insane. No binding elements are left. Shakespeare has shown us a society in its death throes, society in a state of senility--a prophecy which finds its fulfillment in us. p. 164 and p. 18"

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 09:02 AM

Heck no he doesn't "get it".
The elite would never allow anyone who might "get it" to any position of power, political, financial, educational, or whatever, period.
Apollo is right, no hope of salvation from the "leadership", God and God only is the answer.
Look closely at the last 20 years, especially in respect to God and America.
There is your answer, much clearer than the nose on your face.

The only vote of any significance is a vote of "no confidence", a vote against all incumbents.
Sure, it won't do any good, it's rigged either way, but it is the only way I know how to send a message since phone calls, letters, emails to your representative have become a total waste of time.

The entitlement state is going down, hard, and it will take us all with it.
Or missile day will beat it here.
One or the other is surely coming first.
It seems engineering the economic collapse, street riots, bio warfare, and then terrorist nuclear strikes followed immediately by strategic missile strikes would be the preferred way to do it.
But what do we know?

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 01:11 AM

I have to agree. A vote of "no confidence" is the only honorable vote left to give. My decision is easy. I live in Texas and so our state will go Pub no matter what I do. Nevertheless, I'd still feel and act the same way in my rejection of the GOP even if I was living in a swing state. I will not assist the GOP in any way. I will not go out of my way to vote for their candidate. I'll go third party, I'll throw a wrench in the system to the best of my ability, and I will not support the GOP from this election forward until they start representing me. The whole nomination process is essentially rigged for a moderate/leftist to take the nomination. Look at what states get to vote first, and also look at how many states have open conventions so even Democrats can come in and vote. It's a clown show, I tell you. Texas won't even get to vote until maybe May, and by that time it's basically over. Imagine how different the country would be with a state like Texas getting to vote first. It's certainly more logical to let the most conservative states get a stronger voice in a GOP CONVENTION, instead of all these states that go Democrat every 4 years anyway get to decide who is and who isn't a legitimate candidate. To keep voting these bozos in is just to reward their poor behavior to begin with. We need some serious reform in the GOP and in our culture as a country. The problem is, there probably isn't any time left to accomplish it.

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 04:01 AM

I have to agree. A vote of "no confidence" is the only honorable vote left to give. My decision is easy. I live in Texas and so our state will go Pub no matter what I do. Nevertheless, I'd still feel and act the same way in my rejection of the GOP even if I was living in a swing state. I will not assist the GOP in any way. I will not go out of my way to vote for their candidate. I'll go third party, I'll throw a wrench in the system to the best of my ability, and I will not support the GOP from this election forward until they start representing me. The whole nomination process is essentially rigged for a moderate/leftist to take the nomination. Look at what states get to vote first, and also look at how many states have open conventions so even Democrats can come in and vote. It's a clown show, I tell you. Texas won't even get to vote until maybe May, and by that time it's basically over. Imagine how different the country would be with a state like Texas getting to vote first. It's certainly more logical to let the most conservative states get a stronger voice in a GOP CONVENTION, instead of all these states that go Democrat every 4 years anyway get to decide who is and who isn't a legitimate candidate. To keep voting these bozos in is just to reward their poor behavior to begin with. We need some serious reform in the GOP and in our culture as a country. The problem is, there probably isn't any time left to accomplish it.


I respectfully disagree with you. This is America's last chance. If TFP didn't exist, maybe I'd share your desire to go third party. But at this juncture doing so would be the epitome of throwing the baby out with the bath water; it is a vote for BHO & his ilk and a surrender...a surrender because the GOP is not perfect & is devolved for the same reason our society is devolved helped by Gramcian degradation through the decades. Third party is suicide. It's too late to teach lessons to the GOP & scold them. The slimmest chance of an awakening is if we aren't already falling off the edge with socialistic dems pulling us over. The last chance is some sort of miraculous change in direction, if only to at least buy more time. Voting third party in this election is profoundly ill-advised. And, remember, the election is also about reps & sens too.

Now, I've got to tell you, I watched Romney's victory speech tonight & I was impressed & somewhat moved. Of course, I had next to zero preconceived notions about him & watched/listened with an open mind.

Romney was impressive and he was presidential.

He may be all the things you say. But, that still leaves me with the only logical course: vote for Romney & every candidate representing the Ain't so Grand Old Party. Wrest control of the House, Senate, & Presidency. The next president will likely nominate two to three Supreme Court justices.

This is a most crucial election. Let's get through it and THEN try making reforms.

After all, how involved have we all been on an individual level in being good, involved in the process (e.g., attending council meetings & voicing our opinions) citizens?

How about our party participation?

Let's look in the mirror and realize America has gotten where she is due in large part our sins of omissions.

IMO, even if we must hold our nose to vote for the party that has a chance of turning our nation away from the socialistic left then we MUST do so!

This is not the year to be MIA at the polls or lodge protest votes.

We all share blame for the parties being what they are. Don't make a further mistake by throwing away - and, thereby, throwing to the opposition - your vote.

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 11:25 AM

I'm not sure where to sway my consciousness here, but while mormons can be incredibly narcissitic and mislead themselves, I do not think they mean ill the way the Soviet/communists strategize it from their secretly dark communist cells.



For one, it is OBVIOUS, that churches in AMerica are forbidden from having a voice, while the communist cell give themselves a voice inherently of theocratic bent at the government level through secrecy and hidding in the dark. What is difficult to prove, however, is that the link between progressist policies and the dark church.



The LDS, at least, will be there for all to see declared, unequivocal, and we know what we deal with with a Romney, or even an "oppressive Catholic Church of the Medieval Ages".



This is what brainwashed liberals do not realize, per say. They are brainwashed because they do not participate in those cells, they do not belong to them, and they go to their everyday mundane lives taking orders and words that come from those cells in which they do not belong and will never belong. THey are meant to be manipulated and thrown away. No wonder more Americans suffer from depression everyday, because there are certain things the "Body" knows but that we do not consciously know, and it is this treatment and coming death sentence through wholesale utilitarianism of the useful idiot.



The riddle within a riddle and the inner KGB intrigue (and Shakespearian play) can thus be explained through the story of Batman and Batwoman, or the Joker and his girlfriend.



They are not officialy married and are mature and intelligent enough to realize, however (and remember!), that at night, over Gautham, they are together in a contract for or against evil. THat, right there, is a true marriage that is out of the hands of government, ie. however unpatriotic it seems to not let the government know you are allied secretly. (Here in is the mind of the author himself fighting demons with angels, by the way, a metaphore for his own inner struggles, because both batman and the joker are not alone, and this is marriage, a good and a good striving to work together against a bad allied with a bad).



This is why communists are against the "jewish memory", because that is a competitor cell which remembers that everyday appearances do not matter, and what matters is the bonds that exist "in secret" almost, at the Synagogue. THus is stoked easily conspiracy theories and hate of secret societies, or Japanese arrangements etc...



The communist is scared of these competitor cells and divide them thus.



But it goes further, because as secretive and real the marriage is within the communist circle, Sartres said: "hell is the other". THat is, this is a code word for a further subplot going on within communist circles (however, let us be realistic, the material dialectics puts a brake and a limit to this, and, hence, torture or show trials are made as to see who will give in, and whoever does not and stays most secretive wins, basicaly, by breaking, through resiliency, the system itself. After that, if surviving, you're good. Stalin summarily executed and made choices on the narrow fly all the time. These systems are extremely unstable and require extreme vigilance, not unlike of that controling the reactor at chernobyle or walking on a tight rope). It's a completely nutty exercise and today's KGB is a product of that, probably even more professional and automated kind, using a computer and some "Star gazing" or randomizer formula to keep the progress of things going as they may, using Lenin as the "original parameter" (ie. as the initial condition and value from which this secret differential equation of destruction and lies starts, to its end, that which few know, except through a computer simulation. And you have autistic mathematician nuts who can do that, just like they can blindly compute the speculated market without a clue whether it makes practical sense in Wall Street, and this is why they hate WALL STREET too.



Wall Street does it candidly, they do not. They are afraid we will get our own super computations of Wall Street force against their designated inheritors as instructed by the equation and the initial Lenin condition.



Why do we continue to stupidly follow their programs? PEople are such unthinking lemmings. America could build its own program, and as hiddeous as it may seem, why not. It will require a beast to kill this beast, perhaps, given how a bunch of lemmings we have become.



So, inner KGB? I think when they said that "we are going to be flexible", they meant that they might change initial conditions, variables or equation as things go by, playing it by ear. That is interesting. That does not necessarily mean they have an opening into their mind to God, no, it means they are open to eventual betrayals and a tolerance for subplots.



So, their system now is a bit blind and a certain uncertainty has been thrown in, an invitation of a certain tolerance for backstabbings. This is what went out of control in Chechnya. When Putin said "errors were made", he might put some feelings in there, some realistics, and some of his authority to continue the discipline of keeping Lenin or STalin as rightful initial conditions. This discipline is a counter-part to what is termed tradition. So we have a traditionalist side of communists and an antitraditionalist. Here and there, they all play the game and understand the game, and they speak about it in the open via their little hint miserable language of little screw ups.



There, that is what is summarized as this miserable loser of a communist life: a vulgar differential equation that can be understood by a vulgar liberal art or 10th grade high school adolescent, and they call that genius, while the rest of us think of higher and better things to do, really.



This is what they call the "scientific communism", and it's not scientific, it is stupid and something for people who have less of a life than an idiot playing dungeons and draggons all day long. But I know and have met these types who "see the light", and it is ridiculous what an ignoramus can do with a bit of mathematical pride and idiotic mysticism in the discipline. Math mystifiers are the plague, and most idiots who "do not like math", are like my own mother, they do not understand it, they gave up on the subject, even on the intrigues, and they do, comformists, what they are told to do, even though intuitively they know it is bad and makes no sense.



So, we have a most secret communist cell, within which hidden marriages are meant, and, yet, it is an algorithm, "hell is the other". Within that cell, other "existentialist" meetings and alliances might occure, paranoia reigns, people murder each other, and sub-plot and "inner KGBs" might develop, much like subparticles making super particles making protein compounds, according to Lenin's own thesis - a contorted work into explaining in plain confusing pseudophilosophical words what to construe the world as in their "hope" that life is some sort of perpetual motion machine or fully entropic, and it does not matter, they are not going to look at it.



We are facing utter chaos, because this is a web of deceits, of betrayals upon betrayals, of layers and sublayers, of undergrounds and subundergrounds, a network of crap and hell of autistic proportions in its retardation and yet "logicality".



{it is "ironic" that the French practice Math-mysticism, learning and accademic obfuscation, and that most of these authors are French. If the French are not at the helm of this, they sure produce plenty of these seeds of darkness and deceit around. Beware of the nut behind his seemingly "good life and good wine" looks and attitudes. People are nuts. The French might only be implicit, whereas the Russians might have been more explicit because their mathematicians did not enjoy living in a puzzle and liked the nicety of being a power calling the shots, but they still are at heart dangerous out of control mystifiers who do not know what they are doing beyond what they are trying to get to their mouthes and stomachs, and, hence, Russians view the French with contempt because "they stuff their faces with food and are 'thick as bricks', as Western Europeans have forgotten what it is to starve while Russia still lives in WWII with regular rationing economy, and not just socialist.}



And here we have BUsh and Romney and Rinos and liberals, completely either clueless or brainwashed, doing the proxy job of submitting or militanting, to the enemy and to these machineries supporting the enemy in the know of these machineries. Communism is a machinery that a nationalist state should know about to keep itself alive.


But no, they conform, and keep up with the program, they cannot say, no, stop this or that, we are made to think, while they do not have to think, they impose their programs and consciousness on us, and it is complete madness. It is so obvious and they cannot say "we did not know", because they had to know they were making a mistake, even if they were not sure what was going on completely. It's outrageous.


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Posted 04 April 2012 - 02:51 PM

So basically what you are saying, SJL, is that its a dog-eat-dog game where most of them don't have a clue what they've really gotten into? And if you not a live-for-the-moment, opportunistic Sociopath, while simultaneously a cold, calculating, long-term planner, a career with "The Party" is not for you.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 10:22 PM

Sorry, the "system" is broken beyond repair. Reform this monstrosity?
Hopeless.
Scrap it all and get back to the Constitution!
Any other option fails, with a capital "F"!

Sorry if I disagree, but the facts are facts.
You'll never get rid of all these "diversity" managers, just one example, with their $248K salaries, by "reforming" the system!
The system is designed to be gamed, by those inside government, as well as those dependant on it.

Simple rules, "You work you eat, you don't work you don't eat".
We are fortunate, eventually, it will be self correcting.
If we staunchly follow the Constitution, most of these problems can be avoided in the future.

The pols always say "Welfare wasnt meant to be a way of life".
I always say "Neither was politics".
When was the last time you heard the word Statesman, or heck, for that matter Communist, on the major media.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 01:27 AM

I respectfully disagree with you. This is America's last chance. If TFP didn't exist, maybe I'd share your desire to go third party. But at this juncture doing so would be the epitome of throwing the baby out with the bath water; it is a vote for BHO & his ilk and a surrender...a surrender because the GOP is not perfect & is devolved for the same reason our society is devolved helped by Gramcian degradation through the decades. Third party is suicide. It's too late to teach lessons to the GOP & scold them. The slimmest chance of an awakening is if we aren't already falling off the edge with socialistic dems pulling us over. The last chance is some sort of miraculous change in direction, if only to at least buy more time. Voting third party in this election is profoundly ill-advised. And, remember, the election is also about reps & sens too.

Now, I've got to tell you, I watched Romney's victory speech tonight & I was impressed & somewhat moved. Of course, I had next to zero preconceived notions about him & watched/listened with an open mind.

Romney was impressive and he was presidential.

He may be all the things you say. But, that still leaves me with the only logical course: vote for Romney & every candidate representing the Ain't so Grand Old Party. Wrest control of the House, Senate, & Presidency. The next president will likely nominate two to three Supreme Court justices.

This is a most crucial election. Let's get through it and THEN try making reforms.

After all, how involved have we all been on an individual level in being good, involved in the process (e.g., attending council meetings & voicing our opinions) citizens?

How about our party participation?

Let's look in the mirror and realize America has gotten where she is due in large part our sins of omissions.

IMO, even if we must hold our nose to vote for the party that has a chance of turning our nation away from the socialistic left then we MUST do so!

This is not the year to be MIA at the polls or lodge protest votes.

We all share blame for the parties being what they are. Don't make a further mistake by throwing away - and, thereby, throwing to the opposition - your vote.


I suspect the debate will be rendered irrelevant, since I suspect a Mitt Romney nomination cannot defeat Obama.

My first reason is because Romney is a mushy moderate, with even his wife going around saying that she has "never met a conservative," and once he has the nomination he will start to move to the center. I suspect his campaign will mirror the campaign he used against Ted Kennedy, and with the same results.

This election was going to be exciting because we had a lot of anti-communist blow back thanks to folks like Glenn Beck and others who highlighted Obama's communist connections. However, all of this is going to be blown once Romney becomes the nominee. His campaign against Ted Kennedy is the portrait of his campaign against Obama, and the signs are already there that this will be so. He could not unite conservatives in his own state, and instead bet everything on being the slightly more conservative version of Kennedy. The same criticisms he has been receiving now from conservatives... are exactly the same ones he got in his first run against Kennedy. From what I hear from folks, even people who say they are going to vote for Romney because they like him do so only because Romney represents to them a professional face that can defeat Obama. There is no real excitement for the guy, and many among the conservative base simply despise him. All the momentum that we built up against Obama will essentially fizzle away, because Romney simply doesn't represent a personality or a plan that can unite the core of the party.

He is also an incredibly weak candidate. His campaign has been winning because of his resources and his dirty tactics. He will not have this in the general against Obama, where even the media will be against him. His record is questionable and it is very easy to tie him to corrupt business. His Mormonism is another problem, as not too long ago the LDS was teaching that the blacks were colored the way they were because they were neutral in heaven when the god "Lucifer" had his rebellion against the god Jesus. Depending on who you talk to today, this is still their teaching, though some deny it while others either hide it or admit to it. You can expect a full scale mocking of the LDS church in the media, which has already begun, and his association with it will make him look like a fool or a creep. He is a Bishop, after all, within the LDS. A Ron Paul supporter recently quoted Mormon scripture at Romney asking him if he supports it, and their response was to cut his mike. He isn't ready for the obvious, and soon he'll collapse under his own weight. Quite frankly, it couldn't happen to a better guy. I just can't support a man who has embraced such deception and corruption to win an election... and he isn't even doing it for the country either, he is doing it for himself.

Even Rick Santorum would be an awful choice, since I find his conservative "philosophy" to be horribly confused. Check out Santorum's book "It Takes a Family." His is the more Catholic point of view, which tends to be the type you'd expect to vote for a pro-life Democrat. I don't think he really understands conservatism, which is really what he calls "libertarianism." His priorities are all wrong as well, as not too long ago the first article on his "Issues" page was an article he wrote against the evils of pornography. It was like that for months, until people who dislike Santorum started making a big deal of this on Free Republic. His issues page got reorganized, with no new issues added, but with some other issue being moved to the top and porno down to the bottom. He is not very deep and resorts to social/religious arguments in order to unite his base. (They hear this and they confuse it for "true conservatism," even as he resorts to name calling and false accusations against his opponents. Not many people know of this because Santorum literally didn't matter to anyone until just after Florida). He did the same thing in PA, but he also will turn moderate if he thinks it'll save his election. He did this in 2006 when he ran ads talking about how well he had worked with Barbara Boxer for "Open Space" legislation, and with Hillary Clinton tackling violence in video games. He didn't hype his involvement in adding an amendment to a bill, along with Kennedy, that would have forced a property owned by a Veteran's group to sell their land to a nearby Catholic Church for below market value.

Santorum also represents to me the perfect goober who takes everything at face value because he simply doesn't have to learn about anything too deeply. While his complaints against Islam are valid, listening to him speak just makes me think he has taken the Russian bait totally. He has already projected the idea that if he is elected, he will bomb Iran immediately. It does not strike me as wise to sit around basically telling the Russians what to expect, and what to be ready for when the time comes. WW3 could easily spark over Iran, along with WMD reprisals from "Terrorists" on U.S. soil. Will Santorum ever suspect the Russians? He voted in favor of START II and has voted in legislation favorable for China. He's not a closet commie, but he is your typical Republican.

And that's another thing. Santorum endorsed Specter for President in 1995, the same year he came out as a pro-life candidate, and endorsed him again in 2004. Specter, at that time, was running against Pat Robertson and was openly condemning the pro-life movement. A lot of the things Santorum has said in this election, were things Pat Robertson said in the 96 election, and to which Specter responded to with great hatred. Specter's campaign was literally the anti-Santorum 2012 campaign. I am not arguing that Santorum is a closet pro-abortionists... Again, I have seen quotes of Santorum defending the deficit under Bush, saying that he was "no longer a deficit hawk. Having a surplus makes it too hard to say no. I had to spend that money." This is a confused way of saying that a deficit improves responsible voting, but really it was just a weak defense of the deficit back when the Democrats cared about the deficit. Now the roles are reversed. What does this tell me? (As an aside, to Bush's credit I do remember that the deficit was falling during the last year or so of Bush's Presidency.)

It tells me Santorum is not a leader, though he campaigns as one. He is a follower, and governs as a follower based on what the GOP wants. He bowed to Specter because he was the senior pub in PA from whom he needed support.

Since Santorum is not smart, he falls into traps easily. I wanted this election to be about abolishing the tax code and cleaning up our fiscal house. Instead, with Santorum we're going to be debating gay marriage and porno. I think he stands a better chance than Romney, but he is still a loser candidate. His tactics in PA and so far in this primary will not work on the general population. Catholics represent maybe 21 percent of the population, and probably even less than that will appreciate his appeal to religion and his social values. Even if he starts to turn to fiscal issues in the general, I suspect he will fail because he simply doesn't know how to do it properly. Once that fails, he'll return to doing what he thinks works, which actually doesn't work outside the primary.

So here we have it. One Romney, a plastic ken doll of a candidate who will melt under the heat. And we have Santorum, who doesn't know what's going on except that he is running for President.

This is sad, and I do not see any good future for America as things currently are.

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I suspect the debate will be rendered irrelevant, since I suspect a Mitt Romney nomination cannot defeat Obama.

My first reason is because Romney is a mushy moderate, with even his wife going around saying that she has "never met a conservative," and once he has the nomination he will start to move to the center. I suspect his campaign will mirror the campaign he used against Ted Kennedy, and with the same results.

This election was going to be exciting because we had a lot of anti-communist blow back thanks to folks like Glenn Beck and others who highlighted Obama's communist connections. However, all of this is going to be blown once Romney becomes the nominee. His campaign against Ted Kennedy is the portrait of his campaign against Obama, and the signs are already there that this will be so. He could not unite conservatives in his own state, and instead bet everything on being the slightly more conservative version of Kennedy. The same criticisms he has been receiving now from conservatives... are exactly the same ones he got in his first run against Kennedy. From what I hear from folks, even people who say they are going to vote for Romney because they like him do so only because Romney represents to them a professional face that can defeat Obama. There is no real excitement for the guy, and many among the conservative base simply despise him. All the momentum that we built up against Obama will essentially fizzle away, because Romney simply doesn't represent a personality or a plan that can unite the core of the party.

He is also an incredibly weak candidate. His campaign has been winning because of his resources and his dirty tactics. He will not have this in the general against Obama, where even the media will be against him. His record is questionable and it is very easy to tie him to corrupt business. His Mormonism is another problem, as not too long ago the LDS was teaching that the blacks were colored the way they were because they were neutral in heaven when the god "Lucifer" had his rebellion against the god Jesus. Depending on who you talk to today, this is still their teaching, though some deny it while others either hide it or admit to it. You can expect a full scale mocking of the LDS church in the media, which has already begun, and his association with it will make him look like a fool or a creep. He is a Bishop, after all, within the LDS. A Ron Paul supporter recently quoted Mormon scripture at Romney asking him if he supports it, and their response was to cut his mike. He isn't ready for the obvious, and soon he'll collapse under his own weight. Quite frankly, it couldn't happen to a better guy. I just can't support a man who has embraced such deception and corruption to win an election... and he isn't even doing it for the country either, he is doing it for himself.

Even Rick Santorum would be an awful choice, since I find his conservative "philosophy" to be horribly confused. Check out Santorum's book "It Takes a Family." His is the more Catholic point of view, which tends to be the type you'd expect to vote for a pro-life Democrat. I don't think he really understands conservatism, which is really what he calls "libertarianism." His priorities are all wrong as well, as not too long ago the first article on his "Issues" page was an article he wrote against the evils of pornography. It was like that for months, until people who dislike Santorum started making a big deal of this on Free Republic. His issues page got reorganized, with no new issues added, but with some other issue being moved to the top and porno down to the bottom. He is not very deep and resorts to social/religious arguments in order to unite his base. (They hear this and they confuse it for "true conservatism," even as he resorts to name calling and false accusations against his opponents. Not many people know of this because Santorum literally didn't matter to anyone until just after Florida). He did the same thing in PA, but he also will turn moderate if he thinks it'll save his election. He did this in 2006 when he ran ads talking about how well he had worked with Barbara Boxer for "Open Space" legislation, and with Hillary Clinton tackling violence in video games. He didn't hype his involvement in adding an amendment to a bill, along with Kennedy, that would have forced a property owned by a Veteran's group to sell their land to a nearby Catholic Church for below market value.

Santorum also represents to me the perfect goober who takes everything at face value because he simply doesn't have to learn about anything too deeply. While his complaints against Islam are valid, listening to him speak just makes me think he has taken the Russian bait totally. He has already projected the idea that if he is elected, he will bomb Iran immediately. It does not strike me as wise to sit around basically telling the Russians what to expect, and what to be ready for when the time comes. WW3 could easily spark over Iran, along with WMD reprisals from "Terrorists" on U.S. soil. Will Santorum ever suspect the Russians? He voted in favor of START II and has voted in legislation favorable for China. He's not a closet commie, but he is your typical Republican.

And that's another thing. Santorum endorsed Specter for President in 1995, the same year he came out as a pro-life candidate, and endorsed him again in 2004. Specter, at that time, was running against Pat Robertson and was openly condemning the pro-life movement. A lot of the things Santorum has said in this election, were things Pat Robertson said in the 96 election, and to which Specter responded to with great hatred. Specter's campaign was literally the anti-Santorum 2012 campaign. I am not arguing that Santorum is a closet pro-abortionists... Again, I have seen quotes of Santorum defending the deficit under Bush, saying that he was "no longer a deficit hawk. Having a surplus makes it too hard to say no. I had to spend that money." This is a confused way of saying that a deficit improves responsible voting, but really it was just a weak defense of the deficit back when the Democrats cared about the deficit. Now the roles are reversed. What does this tell me? (As an aside, to Bush's credit I do remember that the deficit was falling during the last year or so of Bush's Presidency.)

It tells me Santorum is not a leader, though he campaigns as one. He is a follower, and governs as a follower based on what the GOP wants. He bowed to Specter because he was the senior pub in PA from whom he needed support.

Since Santorum is not smart, he falls into traps easily. I wanted this election to be about abolishing the tax code and cleaning up our fiscal house. Instead, with Santorum we're going to be debating gay marriage and porno. I think he stands a better chance than Romney, but he is still a loser candidate. His tactics in PA and so far in this primary will not work on the general population. Catholics represent maybe 21 percent of the population, and probably even less than that will appreciate his appeal to religion and his social values. Even if he starts to turn to fiscal issues in the general, I suspect he will fail because he simply doesn't know how to do it properly. Once that fails, he'll return to doing what he thinks works, which actually doesn't work outside the primary.

So here we have it. One Romney, a plastic ken doll of a candidate who will melt under the heat. And we have Santorum, who doesn't know what's going on except that he is running for President.

This is sad, and I do not see any good future for America as things currently are.


Wow!

What great writing! Quite persuasive.

Believe me, I'm disgusted, too. We're not left with much at the end.

Who wants to run for office anymore from the GOP side knowing full well that they'll be dragged through the coals ht the media and their Dem opponent will be propped-up by the media.

Our republic is likely in its last days. As far as I'm concerned, anything that delays our reckoning provides more time to prepare. That's why I'll vote for BHO's opponent even with knowing all the things you mention. What else is there to do, not vote?

My non-vote will be plus vote for BHO; it's like giving the takers two votes.

Moreover, my non-vote will do the same for all the DEM drones.

Can you imagine both houses of Congress with Dem majorities, a re-elected BHO with no concern for being re-elected again, and two or three more left-leaning judges added to the Supreme Court?!

But, who knows? Maybe it all doesn't matter anyway because time is up, it's over.

However, personally, I just feel obligated to grasp for any straw that might help our plight. In this case, that means voting and it means voting for Romney, like it or not. It's a sad state we find ourselves in.


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Honestly speaking, I don't even know why this "race" is really even discussed anymore. I'm more shocked that people still haven't figured out that this is a controlled opposition and manufactured show for public consumption. It's one big oligarchy like you'd find in the neo USSR. The GOP ranks are infiltrated with fake candidates spewing catch phrases and flinging snarky "gotcha" remarks at one another that the modern American psyche loves to hear from idiots like John Stewart more than a true and non-manufactured salient issue.

Obama was "the one they have been waiting for" and the GOP is purposely throwing the race away like McCain did in '08. It's that simple.

The degredation of America along many facets has gone too far and for too long. The only remedy is both divine intervention and a good cleansing from God. Matter of fact, this is exactly what you see now -- at least the beginning. The pride of the nation is being broken before our very own eyes.

I saw it a long time ago and I didn't need Michael Savage to tell me. The only thing that held me back 2 years ago or so from mentioning this was the sure-to-be incoming ridicule.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 06:09 PM

TOG,

"I'm more shocked that people still haven't figured out that this is a controlled opposition and manufactured show for public consumption. It's one big oligarchy like you'd find in the neo USSR."

So, would you like to explain how this controlled opposition and manufactured show actually works?

This is deserving of ridicule because it's ridiculous! This is the same slip-shod thinking behind the NWO conpiracy theorists and isn't suitable for this forum.

I listen to Savage, too, and this is where he derails from logical thinking.

All these people and candidates are all - silent - partners in conspiratorily crime requiring the raising of millions of donors monies, sacrifice on the road from family & friends, enduring cut-throat slighted from competing candidates, and crocodile tears upon defeat all pulled off to academy award winning levels, huh?!

This notion(s) is a crock, TOG. And, I won't tolerate it for long on this forum.

Feel free to reply openly here or in a pm. But, I caution you on continuing with the conspiracism of the NWO believers. My position has been made very clear here and it is in the rules of this forum tacked to the top.

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Honestly speaking, I don't even know why this "race" is really even discussed anymore. I'm more shocked that people still haven't figured out that this is a controlled opposition and manufactured show for public consumption. It's one big oligarchy like you'd find in the neo USSR. The GOP ranks are infiltrated with fake candidates spewing catch phrases and flinging snarky "gotcha" remarks at one another that the modern American psyche loves to hear from idiots like John Stewart more than a true and non-manufactured salient issue. Obama was "the one they have been waiting for" and the GOP is purposely throwing the race away like McCain did in '08. It's that simple. The degredation of America along many facets has gone too far and for too long. The only remedy is both divine intervention and a good cleansing from God. Matter of fact, this is exactly what you see now -- at least the beginning. The pride of the nation is being broken before our very own eyes. I saw it a long time ago and I didn't need Michael Savage to tell me. The only thing that held me back 2 years ago or so from mentioning this was the sure-to-be incoming ridicule.



I noticed this also. The most successful candidates are also the most vapid who are skilled at talking a lot but saying basically nothing. I'm disgusted everyday by the current situation in my country.

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TOG, "I'm more shocked that people still haven't figured out that this is a controlled opposition and manufactured show for public consumption. It's one big oligarchy like you'd find in the neo USSR." So, would you like to explain how this controlled opposition and manufactured show actually works? This is deserving of ridicule because it's ridiculous! This is the same slip-shop thinking behind the NWO conpiracy theorists and isn't suitable for this forum. I listen to Savage, too, and this is where he derails from logical thinking. All these people and candidates are all - silent - partners in conspiratorily crime requiring the raising of millions of donors monies, sacrifice on the road from family & friends, enduring cut-throat slighted from competing candidates, and crocodile tears upon defeat all pulled off to academy award winning levels, huh?! This notion(s) is a crock, TOG. And, I won't tolerate it for long on this forum. Feel free to reply openly here or in a pm. But, I caution you on continuing with the conspiracism of the NWO believers. My position has been made very clear here and it is in the rules of this forum tacked to the top.


I don't think TOG was talking about NWO conspiracy. It's more of an acceptance of the fact that the GOP elites are basically a collection of fools who embrace other fools into the fold. No thinking man with real values can expect to have a good time in politics. They turn those types away and bombard them with scorn. And as for the people? This nomination process has basically proven the power of group think and herd mentality, even among conservatives. The power is in the narrative you present and the amount of times you are able to repeat it. If you want to play on a level that can get your narrative out, you have to play with the degenerated powers that be. It's like that recent article by Nyquist. "What do you get if you empower an idiot? Answer: A powerful idiot." In this case, once you empower one idiot, he empowers lots more.

I do agree, however, that it is worth voting if only to give us a bit more time... But, I suspect we don't have any time left.

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TOG,

"I'm more shocked that people still haven't figured out that this is a controlled opposition and manufactured show for public consumption. It's one big oligarchy like you'd find in the neo USSR."

So, would you like to explain how this controlled opposition and manufactured show actually works?

This is deserving of ridicule because it's ridiculous! This is the same slip-shop thinking behind the NWO conpiracy theorists and isn't suitable for this forum.

I listen to Savage, too, and this is where he derails from logical thinking.

All these people and candidates are all - silent - partners in conspiratorily crime requiring the raising of millions of donors monies, sacrifice on the road from family & friends, enduring cut-throat slighted from competing candidates, and crocodile tears upon defeat all pulled off to academy award winning levels, huh?!

This notion(s) is a crock, TOG. And, I won't tolerate it for long on this forum.

Feel free to reply openly here or in a pm. But, I caution you on continuing with the conspiracism of the NWO believers. My position has been made very clear here and it is in the rules of this forum tacked to the top.


It had absolutely nothing to do with NWO stuff and nowhere was it mentioned. In general, I do in fact have an agenda in life which I do not post here frequently about, which comes from the Bible -- and that's God's agenda. What was mentioned was a comparison between what I see with the American political structure and what it has been in Russia: an oligarchy. It's political infiltration. Take the 40 goals of communism or whatever number it is, for example, and it states the need to capture a political party. I believe that there are enough corrupted candidates who are bought out or tricked into perpetuating progressive/socialist/communist agenda -- at least enough to render the GOP useless. Call it sabotage, if you will. Oligarchy and NWO shouldn't even be in the same sentence. One exists and the other does not. Are you suggesting Oligarchy and NWO-ism are synonymous?

I am 100% clear on the rules and I don't push NWO-ism. Where did you get that NWO stuff from, exactly? I don't buy into it and I don't know what else you want me to say. Also, since when does my listening to Michael Savage put me in the lockstep with every one of his ideas? ...and I haven't listened to him in months since I've been out of the country for over tow years now and don't have time to listen to him three hours per day. I simply mentioned his name. While I do like him, I don't anchor my entire belief system on a chronically depressed man with a microphone and radio outlet access.

I think you simply somehow misunderstood, then for whatever reason misrepresented my statement out in public. It's even somewhat offensive that you think I actually believe that crap and then project that on the forum for all to see. At this moment in time I have over 900 posts on this forum with very few issues entailed, a few misunderstandings from time to time with other members -- including yourself, which have been cleared up and my positions made clear even with NWO nonsense claims against me. I also have generally been quite proud to be here and also be associated with the other members within this forum because they're some of the brightest. You and I have already been here before through back-channels and I thought you would've known my positions by now as reflected through my contribution history and qualitative content that speaks for itself.

Even in the beginning of my "Death of the US Dollar" thread some people jumped the gun and tried to slap me around. And how'd that work out? Exactly as intended by me: focused and without any relation to NWO-ism.

Tell me... Why would I push that garbage now all of a sudden? I also have my own geopolitical website with many TFP related articles and IF I believed in it I would push that crap there because I know no one would want to hear it here. It simply wouldn't make logical sense to shove it down the throats of the unwilling. Matter of fact, on my website I have blatantly stole your rules long ago for people who post comments since I liked them so much because I thought they were great guidelines to adhere by.

I am a humble man but I am not going to apologize and nor will I back-peddle for something I have not done nor intended which already goes against my beliefs. Sorry if all the tone seems harsh but as I've said: We've been here before. I honestly haven't liked seeing a handful of posts out of 900+ become misconstrued and lead to hypersensitive overreaction where we have people swinging wild in public (of all places) with comments and hinting at a "deletion of membership". That's how witch hunts begin.

This has absolutely nothing to do with pride and nor is this a "carry the cross" self-inflicted persecution moment, but let me know if this is my last post.

Oligarchy and NWO... Apples and oranges. How exactly did this get twisted into a NWO accusation?

- TOG

Honestly speaking, I don't even know why this "race" is really even discussed anymore. I'm more shocked that people still haven't figured out that this is a controlled opposition and manufactured show for public consumption. It's one big oligarchy like you'd find in the neo USSR. The GOP ranks are infiltrated with fake candidates spewing catch phrases and flinging snarky "gotcha" remarks at one another that the modern American psyche loves to hear from idiots like John Stewart more than a true and non-manufactured salient issue. Obama was "the one they have been waiting for" and the GOP is purposely throwing the race away like McCain did in '08. It's that simple. The degredation of America along many facets has gone too far and for too long. The only remedy is both divine intervention and a good cleansing from God. Matter of fact, this is exactly what you see now -- at least the beginning. The pride of the nation is being broken before our very own eyes. I saw it a long time ago and I didn't need Michael Savage to tell me. The only thing that held me back 2 years ago or so from mentioning this was the sure-to-be incoming ridicule.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 11:50 PM

TOG,

From your response it's obvious that I misinterpreted a portion of your statement:

"I'm more shocked that people still haven't figured out that this is a controlled opposition and manufactured show for public consumption. It's one big oligarchy like you'd find in the neo USSR."

On it's surface, it implied to me the notion that these candidates get together and plan a manufactured opposition with a decided outcome planned. This is reminiscent of NWO belief that it's all a big show of deception and that the two parties (or candidates within a party) both have the same objective. Invoking an "oligarchy" involved in the process seemed to me to be a reference to "the powers that be." Your explanation proves otherwise.

Therefore, my apologies for a rush to judgment (& rash decision to go a public route, it should have been a pm to you).

As you might imagine, it is impossible for me to remember the past posts of our members and even our commo in the past you mentioned.

In any event, again, my apologies for jumping to conclusions.

And, thank you for the civil way in which you replied.

My apologies to our members as well for making a mountain out of a non-existent mole hill and for disturbing atmosphere.