UFO sightings at ICBM sites and Nuclear Weapons Storage Areas, Military officals testimony FOIA files Options

[Bard]

http://www.nicap.org/babylon/missile_incidents.htm

Air Force, FBI, and CIA files declassified via the Freedom of Information Act establish a convincing, ongoing pattern of UFO activity at U.S. nuclear weapons sites extending back to December 1948.

To date, I have interviewed over 50 individuals who were involved in various UFO-related incidents at Strategic Air Command bases or remote sites. I have selected the statements of 20 of those persons for presentation here. An expanded discussion of this material will appear in my forthcoming book, The UFO/Nukes Connection.
The events described below leave little doubt that our nuclear weapons program is an ongoing source of interest to someone possessing vastly superior technology. Significantly, the reported UFO activity occasionally transcends mere surveillance and appears to involve direct and unambiguous interference with our strategic weapons systems.

I'm convinced alot of this is not of human origin. What do you all think?

P.S. Grandpop worked on Nike Zeus and later missiles and he and my father saw UFOs as well. I saw one as well and I'm not afraid to admit it.

Admins, don't move this to the stinky basement below the Misc forum.

[befruitful]

IMHO UFO's ET's etc. are supernatural manifestations of the evil one. One big clue is to read accounts of the voluntary captured by et's. They experience pain and like it. Sound familiar? Intrigue. Exploitation. A powerful trap. ... and an interesting "crisis". The sightings are real. Miracles are real. They are as real as treasury dollars.

[Bard]

There is nothing in the Bible excluding ETs. Evil I would agree. Ets could be evil without being demonic. But you could be right. I am aware of the Gen 6:1 sons of god cohabitating with human females and producing evil giant offspring. Taking into account the reports of sperm and egg being taken and people seeing hybrids it is certainly possible this is a Satanic act. It could be ET though.

So either man,Satan,God or Ets are disarming ICBMs.

These all can't be mans acts, the level of tech. is way to high.
If God was going to disable ICBMs you'd think he wouldn't need to put on a show.
That leaves Satan or ETs. I lean towards ETs.
Who gets jolies off pain? ETs? I haven't heard that one.

[befruitful]

http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-honolulu-exopolitics-examiner~y2009m10d21-official-disclosure-of-extraterrestrial-life-is-imminent#

an official announcement by the obama administration disclosing the reality of extraterrestrial life is imminent. For several months, senior administration officials have been quietly deliberating behind closed doors how much to disclose to the world about extraterrestrial life. Dissatisfaction among powerful institutions such as the u.s. Navy over the decades-long secrecy policy has given a boost to efforts to disclose the reality of extraterrestrial life and technology.

The impending disclosure announcement follows upon the secret implementation of a year long openness policy on ufos and extraterrestrial life. Over the period february 12-14, 2008, the united nations held closed doors discussions where approximately 30 nations secretly agreed on a new openness policy on ufos and extraterrestrial life in 2009. The openness policy was implemented but never publicly announced due to threats against un diplomats not to disclose details of the secret agreement. H the secret un agreement was based on two conditions. First, ufos would continue to appear around the world; and second, the openness policy would not lead to social unrest in liberal democracies. Both conditions have been satisfied making it possible for the next stage to begin – official disclosure of extraterrestrial life.

Obama’s september 24, 2009 chairing of the un security council meeting on nuclear non-proliferation and disarmament, signaled his emerging leadership role in tackling major global issues such as nuclear weapons. The nobel peace prize was an important step in giving global legitimacy to president obama in making an extraterrestrial disclosure announcement. Obama is therefore poised to play a prominent role in the increased global governance that will be necessary after an extraterrestrial disclosure announcement. The timing would most likely coincide sometime soon after his nobel peace prize acceptance speech on december 10, 2009 in oslo, norway.

There have been various sources that have revealed deliberations are underway to make an announcement concerning the existence of extraterrestrial life by the end of 2009. These include, dr pete peterson, a whistleblower who has recently emerged revealing high level discussions have taken place concerning announcing the existence of extraterrestrial life. In a project camelot interview, dr peterson revealed that “obama is planning to disclose the reality of et contact by the end of the year; and that most, but not all, of the et visitors are friendly.”
another source is david wilcock, a prominent researcher of emerging scientific paradigms. Wilcock has been told by additional independent sources that extraterrestrial disclosure will take place by the end of 2009. he furthermore claimed in a coast to coast am radio interview that “a 2-hour international tv special has already been booked that will introduce an alien species, similar to humans, to the world.”

in addition, popular nasa and space researcher, richard hoagland, has publicly come forward to reveal that the october 9, lcross ‘bombing’ mission of the moon, discovered an ancient base at the moon’s south pole. Reviewing the scientific data achieved by nasa’s lcross mission, hoagland concluded, also on the popular late night coast to coast am radio show, that “lcross is part of a carefully constructed campaign to prepare the populace for imminent disclosure. The president of the united states will soon announce that scientists have discovered ruins on the moon, he added. Nobody saw the lcross debris plume because the probes struck a building which swallowed the effects of the explosion.”

finally, two independent and confidential sources have revealed to me that face to face meetings have recently occurred between u.s. Military officials with one or more groups of extraterrestrial visitors. This has allegedly led to confidence being built for future cooperation with the extraterrestrials that will be formally announced to the world public either at the end of 2009, or early 2010.

In conclusion, a diverse number of sources and events point to some form of extraterrestrial disclosure being made by the end of 2009, or early 2010. Official disclosure will most likely emerge in either of two scenarios. One is that president obama will announce the existence of extraterrestrial visitors, and describe one or more of these to the world. This scenario is supported by peterson, wilcock, and my own confidential sources. The second scenario is that an announcement will be made concerning the discovery of artificial structures at the moon’s south pole, as revealed by the lcross mission. This scenario is supported by hoagland.

Which ever of the above scenarios is used for announcing the existence of extraterrestrial life or technology, president obama will figure prominently. Behind the scenes, powerful institutions are ensuring that nothing derails the planned disclosure announcement. The disclosure will follow upon a year of greater government openness on ufos in accord with a policy secretly developed at the united nations. If extraterrestrial disclosure does occur at the end of 2009 or early 2010, president obama will lead an unprecedented effort to promote global governance through the united nations. The obama administration and its supporters are poised to take a bold step forward in helping our planet become an interplanetary culture that openly deals with the challenges posed by extraterrestrial life. http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-honolulu-exopolitics-examiner~y2009m10d21-official-disclosure-of-extraterrestrial-life-is-imminent[color="#006400"]#

False crisis concerning true reports of "et/ufo" opined above= distraction/smoke mirrors

[Bard]

False crisis concerning true reports of "et/ufo" opined above= distraction/smoke mirrors

Thats befruitful, now that my eyes are bleeding from reading that green text I'll return the favor.

Yeah I have been following this as well. Wilcock is a wacko- A 2 hour special has already been booked for an alien introduction ? Cosmic energy wave sweeping the solar system going to force humans to evolve to the next vibrational level? Disclosure? I will believe it when I see it. The UFOs and Nukes article however is credible IMO.

[befruitful]

Sorry about that. Eye, I made an error. Yet the hand is quicker than the eye. If you move your cursor over the print- it all becomes crystal deep sky blue. I believe in sightings, and in no manner deny credible, reasonable people have seen, heard...experienced FEARFUL ....supernatural manifestation by EL DIABLO. Nor is it worth much warning people. Even the elect will be fooled. Or have elected to be fooled.

Which ever of the above scenarios is used for announcing the existence of extraterrestrial life or technology, president obama will figure prominently. Behind the scenes, powerful institutions are ensuring that nothing derails the planned disclosure announcement. The disclosure will follow upon a year of greater government openness on ufos in accord with a policy secretly developed at the united nations. If extraterrestrial disclosure does occur at the end of 2009 or early 2010, president obama will lead an unprecedented effort to promote global governance through the united nations. The obama administration and its supporters are poised to take a bold step forward in helping our planet become an interplanetary culture that openly deals with the challenges posed by extraterrestrial life.

[Bard]

Discloser smoser. The government isn't going to do it. If the "ETs" choose to disclose on their own that will be another story. The "great deception" doesn't have to be an "alien" event.

[ultimathule]

My dad was in the Navy from '41-'49, and in the USAF from '49-'61.

I remember my mom telling me that back in the '50's (when my dad was with SAC) they would sometimes sit on their back porch and watch some of the planes come and go - they lived just off the flight line at a base that no longer exists. One night they saw a "bright red cigar-shaped craft" fly very fast over the base, hover, and then shoot off in a different direction.

My mom was convinced it wasn't "alien" - she always believed it was experiemental USAF air/spacecraft.

While at that same location, one of my older sisters was 'buzzed' by a low-flying "UFO" while walking home from school. She said she could hear it coming up from behind her, and that is was very low and moving slow. It terrified her, as it was so low that she could've thrown a rock at it and hit it. She dropped to the ground, and said she could feel the immense heat from it as it passed over her. She was walking home with a friend, and they both ran home crying, scared out of their socks.

Personally, I have never seen a "UFO." I don't believe in aliens. I would tend to agree with my mom's idea: advanced military aircraft.

[Bard]

My dad was in the Navy from '41-'49, and in the USAF from '49-'61.

I remember my mom telling me that back in the '50's (when my dad was with SAC) they would sometimes sit on their back porch and watch some of the planes come and go - they lived just off the flight line at a base that no longer exists. One night they saw a "bright red cigar-shaped craft" fly very fast over the base, hover, and then shoot off in a different direction.

My mom was convinced it wasn't "alien" - she always believed it was experiemental USAF air/spacecraft.

While at that same location, one of my older sisters was 'buzzed' by a low-flying "UFO" while walking home from school. She said she could hear it coming up from behind her, and that is was very low and moving slow. It terrified her, as it was so low that she could've thrown a rock at it and hit it. She dropped to the ground, and said she could feel the immense heat from it as it passed over her. She was walking home with a friend, and they both ran home crying, scared out of their socks.

Personally, I have never seen a "UFO." I don't believe in aliens. I would tend to agree with my mom's idea: advanced military aircraft.

That article is essentially the eye witness reports of 20 Strategic Air Command and ICBM base soldiers, reading it I can't see how anyone could attribute some of the fantasic things described to advanced military aircraft of even this generation. At that time it seems unlikely we would have either the technology or the desire to remotely disarm and start the launch sequences of our own missilies. Even if was to test our soldiers, there was the strong possibility of starting a launch that we couldn't stop. The level of recklessness inherent in such tests strains credulity. This could have started WW3. Its Equally unlikely that the Russians would choose such a convoluted method to test us or provoke a war. I don't believe or disbelieve in aliens. But its either ET or supernatural, cause its not us. And I don't think God or Satan takes such a direct hand in our armaments either. Give it a read.

[ultimathule]

Give it a read.

I did. I spent a good deal of time reading through it, and various links.

Here's a question for you:

With the exponential increase in camera and video availability, not to mention the "information highway" of the world-wide-web, why hasn't there been an increase in legitimate photos and videos of UFOs? One would think, with darn-near every person in Western civilization and significant portions of Asia carrying a phone/digital camera/video recorder, there would be some seriously substantial and increased level of evidence; yet there isn't. How come?

Back in the '40's, some reports of UFOs are strikingly similar to stealth aircraft shapes we are familiar with today. If scientists have developed propulsion systems which can achieve the kind of start/stop and high-rate accelerations and so on that we read of in UFO sighting reports, it's no wonder the UFOs allegedly fly "erratically." I find it far more believable that the guy at the helm is some USAF Major with a full diaper trying to keep consciousness as he manipulates an extreme-prototype high-powered craft, instead of some lizard-like 3' tall Martian with big black eyes, bulging head and a jumpsuit.

I also find it entirely believable that the high-level honchos in charge of test-flights for advanced craft (or testing advanced weapons systems or communication-jamming equipment on those crafts) would collaborate with other squadron leaders or base commanders at different facilities to perform "real world" exercises - even at nuclear missile sites. Maybe especially at nuclear missile sites. The "little guys" would naturally be freaked-out by it (and be 'kept in the dark' on purpose). The commanders couldn't prevent everyone from witnessing weird stuff, but they could certainly be kept silent and/or threatened with disciplinary action if they shot their mouths off about what they saw.

I find the topic interesting, but I just cannot believe that it's aliens. Nor do I believe it is supernatural. I think it's USAF. I also think that for every 'legit' civilian sighting of experimental USAF craft, there are 100 or more fabricated alien UFO "sighting" stories born - either from wishful-thinking/fantasy/drug-induced hallucination on the part of wackos, or deliberate smoke-and-mirrors tactics on the part of NSA to keep the UFO/alien myth alive (in order to further pad the protective buffer of secrecy around our high-tech defenses).

I would probably discount even the idea of high-tech USAF experimental craft, except that I trust my mom's (and my sister's) character. They saw something real.

Personally, I would love to see one. Until then, I remain a mostly-skeptical bystander who thinks these things are .gov, and quite possibly one of the few remaining pieces of technology that our enemies have not yet stolen or duplicated yet - and for that reason, deserve the utmost secrecy.

Or maybe my sister made it up and my mom had one brandy too many that night.

[eskie]

I tend to agree with UltimaThule's well-stated evaluation.

I think some few cases, in contrast, may involve what BeFruitful suggests - a demonic or nature-spirits or psychic aspect, as opposed to nuts-and-bolts spaceships and flesh-and-bone astronauts. Some more or less serious individuals have spent much time investigating and researching the subject and have come such a conclusion. (See for example Jacques Vallee's Messengers of Deception.)

The subject of UFOs generally is a time-sink that can absorb hours and months and in extreme cases even years of your time and leave you with nothing to show for it, other than a frisson-inducing story or two to tell on a winter's night while watching the logs in the fireplace burn.