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Russian analyst predicts decline and breakup of U.S.
24/11/2008 19:31 MOSCOW, November 24 (RIA Novosti) - A leading Russian political analyst has said the economic turmoil in the United States has confirmed his long-held view that the country is heading for collapse, and will divide into separate parts.

Professor Igor Panarin said in an interview with the respected daily Izvestia published on Monday: "The dollar is not secured by anything. The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse."

The paper said Panarin's dire predictions for the U.S. economy, initially made at an international conference in Australia 10 years ago at a time when the economy appeared strong, have been given more credence by this year's events.

When asked when the U.S. economy would collapse, Panarin said: "It is already collapsing. Due to the financial crisis, three of the largest and oldest five banks on Wall Street have already ceased to exist, and two are barely surviving. Their losses are the biggest in history. Now what we will see is a change in the regulatory system on a global financial scale: America will no longer be the world's financial regulator."

When asked who would replace the U.S. in regulating world markets, he said: "Two countries could assume this role: China, with its vast reserves, and Russia, which could play the role of a regulator in Eurasia."

Asked why he expected the U.S. to break up into separate parts, he said: "A whole range of reasons. Firstly, the financial problems in the U.S. will get worse. Millions of citizens there have lost their savings. Prices and unemployment are on the rise. General Motors and Ford are on the verge of collapse, and this means that whole cities will be left without work. Governors are already insistently demanding money from the federal center. Dissatisfaction is growing, and at the moment it is only being held back by the elections and the hope that Obama can work miracles. But by spring, it will be clear that there are no miracles."

He also cited the "vulnerable political setup", "lack of unified national laws", and "divisions among the elite, which have become clear in these crisis conditions."

He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts - the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.

He even suggested that "we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all."

On the fate of the U.S. dollar, he said: "In 2006 a secret agreement was reached between Canada, Mexico and the U.S. on a common Amero currency as a new monetary unit. This could signal preparations to replace the dollar. The one-hundred dollar bills that have flooded the world could be simply frozen. Under the pretext, let's say, that terrorists are forging them and they need to be checked."

When asked how Russia should react to his vision of the future, Panarin said: "Develop the ruble as a regional currency. Create a fully functioning oil exchange, trading in rubles... We must break the strings tying us to the financial Titanic, which in my view will soon sink."

Panarin, 60, is a professor at the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and has authored several books on information warfare.


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December 29, 2008 Monday

Russian professor predicts end of US

BYLINE: By ANDREW OSBORN, The Wall Street Journal

SECTION: BUSINESS NEWS

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MOSCOW For a decade, Russian academic Igor Panarin has been predicting the U.S. will fall apart in 2010. For most of that time, he admits, few took his argument that an economic and moral collapse will trigger a civil war and the eventual breakup of the U.S. very seriously. Now he's found an eager audience: Russian state media.

In recent weeks, he's been interviewed as much as twice a day about his predictions. "It's a record," says Prof. Panarin. "But I think the attention is going to grow even stronger."

Prof. Panarin, 50 years old, is not a fringe figure. A former KGB analyst, he is dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry's academy for future diplomats. He is invited to Kremlin receptions, lectures students, publishes books, and appears in the media as an expert on U.S.-Russia relations.

But it's his bleak forecast for the U.S. that is music to the ears of the Kremlin, which in recent years has blamed Washington for everything from instability in the Middle East to the global financial crisis. Mr. Panarin's views also fit neatly with the Kremlin's narrative that Russia is returning to its rightful place on the world stage after the weakness of the 1990s, when many feared that the country would go economically and politically bankrupt and break into separate territories.

A polite and cheerful man with a buzz cut, Mr. Panarin insists he does not dislike Americans. But he warns that the outlook for them is dire.

"There's a 55-45 percent chance right now that disintegration will occur," he says. "One could rejoice in that process," he adds, poker-faced. "But if we're talking reasonably, it's not the best scenario for Russia." Though Russia would become more powerful on the global stage, he says, its economy would suffer because it currently depends heavily on the dollar and on trade with the U.S.

Mr. Panarin posits, in brief, that mass immigration, economic decline, and moral degradation will trigger a civil war next fall and the collapse of the dollar. Around the end of June 2010, or early July, he says, the U.S. will break into six pieces with Alaska reverting to Russian control.

In addition to increasing coverage in state media, which are tightly controlled by the Kremlin, Mr. Panarin's ideas are now being widely discussed among local experts. He presented his theory at a recent roundtable discussion at the Foreign Ministry. The country's top international relations school has hosted him as a keynote speaker. During an appearance on the state TV channel Rossiya, the station cut between his comments and TV footage of lines at soup kitchens and crowds of homeless people in the U.S. The professor has also been featured on the Kremlin's English-language propaganda channel, Russia Today.

Mr. Panarin's apocalyptic vision "reflects a very pronounced degree of anti-Americanism in Russia today," says Vladimir Pozner, a prominent TV journalist in Russia. "It's much stronger than it was in the Soviet Union."

Mr. Pozner and other Russian commentators and experts on the U.S. dismiss Mr. Panarin's predictions. "Crazy ideas are not usually discussed by serious people," says Sergei Rogov, director of the government-run Institute for U.S. and Canadian Studies, who thinks Mr. Panarin's theories don't hold water.

Mr. Panarin's resume includes many years in the Soviet KGB, an experience shared by other top Russian officials. His office, in downtown Moscow, shows his national pride, with pennants on the wall bearing the emblem of the FSB, the KGB's successor agency. It is also full of statuettes of eagles; a double-headed eagle was the symbol of czarist Russia.

The professor says he began his career in the KGB in 1976. In post-Soviet Russia, he got a doctorate in political science, studied U.S. economics, and worked for FAPSI, then the Russian equivalent of the U.S. National Security Agency. He says he did strategy forecasts for then-President Boris Yeltsin, adding that the details are "classified."

In September 1998, he attended a conference in Linz, Austria, devoted to information warfare, the use of data to get an edge over a rival. It was there, in front of 400 fellow delegates, that he first presented his theory about the collapse of the U.S. in 2010.

"When I pushed the button on my computer and the map of the United States disintegrated, hundreds of people cried out in surprise," he remembers. He says most in the audience were skeptical. "They didn't believe me."

At the end of the presentation, he says many delegates asked him to autograph copies of the map showing a dismembered U.S.

He based the forecast on classified data supplied to him by FAPSI analysts, he says. He predicts that economic, financial and demographic trends will provoke a political and social crisis in the U.S. When the going gets tough, he says, wealthier states will withhold funds from the federal government and effectively secede from the union. Social unrest up to and including a civil war will follow. The U.S. will then split along ethnic lines, and foreign powers will move in.

California will form the nucleus of what he calls "The Californian Republic," and will be part of China or under Chinese influence. Texas will be the heart of "The Texas Republic," a cluster of states that will go to Mexico or fall under Mexican influence. Washington, D.C., and New York will be part of an "Atlantic America" that may join the European Union. Canada will grab a group of Northern states Prof. Panarin calls "The Central North American Republic." Hawaii, he suggests, will be a protectorate of Japan or China, and Alaska will be subsumed into Russia.

"It would be reasonable for Russia to lay claim to Alaska; it was part of the Russian Empire for a long time." A framed satellite image of the Bering Strait that separates Alaska from Russia like a thread hangs from his office wall. "It's not there for no reason," he says with a sly grin.

Interest in his forecast revived this fall when he published an article in Izvestia, one of Russia's biggest national dailies. In it, he reiterated his theory, called U.S. foreign debt "a pyramid scheme," and predicted China and Russia would usurp Washington's role as a global financial regulator.

Americans hope President-elect Barack Obama "can work miracles," he wrote. "But when spring comes, it will be clear that there are no miracles."

The article prompted a question about the White House's reaction to Prof. Panarin's forecast at a December news conference. "I'll have to decline to comment," spokeswoman Dana Perino said amid much laughter.

For Prof. Panarin, Ms. Perino's response was significant. "The way the answer was phrased was an indication that my views are being listened to very carefully," he says.

The professor says he's convinced that people are taking his theory more seriously. People like him have forecast similar cataclysms before, he says, and been right. He cites French political scientist Emmanuel Todd. Mr. Todd is famous for having rightly forecast the demise of the Soviet Union 15 years beforehand. "When he forecast the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1976, people laughed at him," says Prof. Panarin.


Digital Journal

November 26, 2008 Wednesday 6:42 AM EST

Top Russian Analyst Predicts U.S. Breakup and New North American Currency

LENGTH: 615 words


Nov. 26, 2008 (Digital Journal delivered by Newstex) -- Monday a top Russian political analyst predicted that the United States is heading for collapse and will divide into six separate parts. Canada, Mexico and the U.S. will adopt the Amero currency, and China and Russia will regulate world markets.According to RIA Novosti(Russian News and Information Agency), Professor Igor Panarin was interviewed by Izvestia and the interview was published on Monday.If and when the U.S. breakup comes about Panarin states that "we (Russia) ścould claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all."Panarian said that because the dollar śis not secured by anything, and because Americas debt has śgrown like an avalanche and is now more than 11 trillion, this śis a pyramid that can only collapse.Panarin has been making this prediction since 1998. RIA Novosti reported that Panarin made these dire predictions at an international conference in Australia 10 years ago when the U.S. economy appeared to be strong.Panarin hedged when it came to pinpointing the exact time of the śexpected U.S. economic collapse.When asked when the U.S. economy would collapse, Panarin said: "It is already collapsing.

Due to the financial crisis, three of the largest and oldest five banks on Wall Street have already ceased to exist, and two are barely surviving. Their losses are the biggest in history. Now what we will see is a change in the regulatory system on a global financial scale: America will no longer be the world's financial regulator." Panarin said that China, świth its vast reserves, and Russia, ścould play the role of a regulator in Eurasia."Panarin stated that millions of Americans have lost their savings and because General Motors and Ford are on the verge of collapse and whole cities will be left without work. Because governors are also demanding money from the federal government, dissatisfaction is growing. Panarin continued:"Dissatisfaction is growing, and at the moment it is only being held back by the elections and the hope that Obama can work miracles. But by spring, it will be clear that there are no miracles."RIA Novosti also reported that Panarin points to a vulnerable political setup in the U.S., which includes "lack of unified national laws," and "divisions among the elite, which will bring the breakup about in the very near future.He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts - the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong. . . He even suggested that "we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all." According to RIA Novosti, Panarin claimed that a secret (North American Union) agreement in 2006 was reached between Canada, Mexico and the U.S. making the Amero currency the new monetary unit. This Amero will replace the dollar under the pretext that śterrorists are forging them and they need to be checked."For a little perspective on Russias failing economy read Wednesdays article, Russia and the Global Economic Crisis by Stephen Sestanovich published by the Council on Foreign Relations.Apparently Russias economy isnt doing all that well. Export earnings from energy and metals are sharply declining, corporate balance sheets are over-leveraged, there is a śchorus of bailout appeals, bank failures, credit crunches, failing real-estate and mortgage defaults . . . and the list goes on. Newstex ID: DIJO-0001-29908935


Professor Igor Panarin: When America fell to pieces the shouting was outrageous
As early as autumn 2009 the economic crisis may lead to a civil war in the USA and then to its division into parts. Igor Panarin, doctor of political science, dean of the foreign affairs department at the Diplomacy Academy of the Russian Foreign Ministry, presented this forecast ten years ago. At that time his forecasts seemed unrealistic, but now many of them are coming true.


We present a new version of the event’s development through the eyes of the scientist, even though it may seem disputable and even scandalous.

In his interview with Izvestia, professor Panarin shares his opinion on the following issues: why the United States decided on monetary reform; who Obama is working for; and why it is better for Russia to be friends with China.

Question: Mr. Panarin, where did this idea of the breakup of the US come from back in 1998, when this country was prospering and when it was an unconditional world leader?

Answer: In September 1998 an international conference called the Informational War was held in Austria. I presented my analytical research there. 150 out of 400 participants were from the USA. There was outrageous shouting in the audience when I was talking about the division of America in my presentation. However my reasons were well-grounded. Back then it was obvious that finance and economy would be the main destructive power for the USA. The dollar was not secured by anything. The external debt of the country was growing like an avalanche in spite of the fact that it was non-existent at the beginning of the 1980s. In 1998, when I was making my forecast, it had reached 2 trillion dollars. Today it’s more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid which is bound to collapse.

Q: Will the entire American economy collapse?

A: It is collapsing now. Three out of the five largest and oldest banks on Wall Street ceased to exist because of the financial crisis; and the other two are on the verge of surviving. Their losses are the largest in history. Now we are talking about replacing the regulation system in the world: America will no longer be the world regulator.

Q: Which country will replace it?

A: Two countries are making a claim for this role: China with its large reserves, and Russia as a country which could play the role of a regulator on the Eurasian territory. A rather remarkable event took place at the G20 summit which has just taken place in Washington. Participants put forward the new architectonics of the international affairs where a key role would belong to the International Monetary Fund. But the International Monetary Fund needs funds. Thus the participants addressed China and Japan with a request to provide money. The gold reserves of China come to more than 2 trillion dollars. It is the largest creditor to the USA. Now it will definitely affect the policy of the fund. By the way, it is not accidental that Mr. Hu Jintao met two leaders at the summit: the Russian President and the leader of the UK. There are plans to hold the spring G20 meeting in England. And the meeting with Russia as a country which is putting forward the basic principles of reconstructing the world financial system also clearly fits the vision of the Chinese reformation process.

“Skeleton which keeps the USA together is fragile”

Q: We are clear about the world leaders. But let’s go back to the USA. What makes you believe in the possible division of the country?

A: There are a number of reasons. First, the financial problems of the USA will increase. Millions of citizens have already lost their savings. Prices and unemployment keep growing. General Motors and Ford are on the verge of collapse which means that entire towns will end up unemployed. The governors are now harshly demanding money from the federal center. Complaints are growing. They’ve been restrained so far by the presidential election and by hope that Obama could perform a miracle. However, by spring it will become clear that a miracle will not happen.

The second factor is the vulnerability of the political mechanism in the USA. There is no uniform legislation on the territory of the country. There aren’t even general uniform traffic rules. The skeleton which keeps the USA together is fragile. Even the armed forces in Iraq are represented by the non-citizens of the United States to a large extent. They fight for the promise of American citizenship. Thus the army, as a melting pot has stopped fulfilling a consolidating function for the American state. And finally, the split of the elite has made itself especially clear under the conditions of the crisis.

“Hundred dollar notes may get frozen”

Q: How will the country be divided? Mexico is obviously in the south. What else?

A: There are six parts altogether. The first one is the Pacific Ocean coast of the USA. I can give you an example: 53% of San Francisco’s population is Chinese. The Governor of Washington state was an ethnic Chinese; its capital, Seattle, is called the gate of the Chinese emigration to the USA. It is obvious that the Pacific Ocean coast has been gradually influenced by China. The second part in the south is definitely the Mexicans. In some areas, Spanish has become the official language already. Then comes Texas which has been openly fighting for independence. The Atlantic coast has a totally different ethnos and mentality. It could be split into two parts as well. And we are left with two central depressive areas. May I remind you that five central states where the Indians live had announced their independence. It was perceived as a joke or a kind of a political show. But the fact remains the same. Canada is making a strong influence in the North. By the way, Russia may require returning Alaska, as it had been rented out…

Q: What will happen to the dollar then?

A: In 2006 a secret agreement was made between Canada, Mexico and the USA on preparing to implement the Amero as a new currency unit. This may mean replacement of the dollar. At the same time 100-dollar notes which have flooded the world may just get “frozen”. An excuse may be used, for example, that terrorists have made false notes which need to be checked.

"Confrontation between the clans has become open”

Q: Could you tell us about the division of the elite. Are these the democrats and the republicans?

A: No, that is not right. There are two groups in the US authorities. The first one may be called the globalists, or the Trotskyites. Leon Trotsky had already formulated their idea in the past: it’s not Russia that we need, but a world revolution. Soviet Russia was viewed by them as a base for control over the world. The second group is the statists which want prosperity for their country. Representatives of these two clans are present in both Democratic and Republican Parties. Take voting for the anti-crisis plan of Paulson, which was suggested by the Republican administration, for example. It was voted down in the Congress by the Republicans first of all.

Q: Who is in charge of the clans?

A: The key persons of the globalists are Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Vice President Dick Cheney. The key persons of the statists are Robert Gates, Defense Secretary; Michael Hayden, CIA Director; and Admiral Mike McConnell, director of national intelligence. Globalists are mainly the financial elite, and statists are the armed forces, special services and military and industrial complex. Recently the confrontation between these two clans has become open. In December last year the statists presented a report which completely denied the existence of the nuclear program in Iran. It directly contradicted conclusions made by Condoleezza Rice and Dick Cheney. The second important event took place at the hearings of the US Congress concerning the 5-day war in the Caucasus. The globalists represented by Condoleezza Rice insisted that Russia had started the war and that it would be punished for it. Georgia was the project of Condoleezza. And representatives of the intelligence community presented a diametrically opposite statement: that Georgia had started the war. We see an open confrontation between very outstanding political figures.

Q: And who’s Obama’s company?

A: The statists with Gates in charge were the key players who had enabled Obama to win. They are demanding that he change the general line in return. In this light, a very interesting factor is that Gates the Republican is viewed as the most important candidate as to whether he remains the US Defense Secretary or becomes the Secretary of State. This is the influence of the statists on the President. By the way, the first session which Obama held was with the American intelligence community.

“We have to cut the ropes tying us to Titanic.”

Q: What does the victory of the statists mean for Russia?

A: It’s a rather good chance for us, as they acted on our side in the conflict in the Caucasus. According to President Medvedev’s visit to the USA we see that he was not subject to any obstruction in relation to the events in the Caucasus. The atmosphere in Washington was rather calm and friendly.

Q: What should Russia do in order to avoid shocks in relation to a possible economic collapse of the United States?

A: It should develop the rouble as the regional currency. It should form an efficient petroleum exchange which would sell oil for roubles. Several days ago an agreement was signed between Russia and Belarus on transferring payments for oil and gas to roubles. This is the beginning of establishing the ruble as the regional currency as well. We’ve been receiving our currency from Kazakhstan and Belarus for electricity already. Now our task is to try to make as many rouble contracts as possible for the year 2009 before the end of this year. In this case Russia will be able to escape the growing global crisis. We have to cut the ropes tying us to the financial “Titanic” which, in my opinion, will drown in the nearest future.

Courtesy of Izvestia daily.
Translated by RT.

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Posted 03 February 2009 - 02:47 AM

He based the forecast on classified data supplied to him by FAPSI analysts, he says. He predicts that economic, financial and demographic trends will provoke a political and social crisis in the U.S. When the going gets tough, he says, wealthier states will withhold funds from the federal government and effectively secede from the union. Social unrest up to and including a civil war will follow. The U.S. will then split along ethnic lines, and foreign powers will move in.

California will form the nucleus of what he calls "The Californian Republic," and will be part of China or under Chinese influence. Texas will be the heart of "The Texas Republic," a cluster of states that will go to Mexico or fall under Mexican influence. Washington, D.C., and New York will be part of an "Atlantic America" that may join the European Union. Canada will grab a group of Northern states Prof. Panarin calls "The Central North American Republic." Hawaii, he suggests, will be a protectorate of Japan or China, and Alaska will be subsumed into Russia.

"It would be reasonable for Russia to lay claim to Alaska; it was part of the Russian Empire for a long time." A framed satellite image of the Bering Strait that separates Alaska from Russia like a thread hangs from his office wall. "It's not there for no reason," he says with a sly grin.


When I read things like this, I always wonder to what extent the speaker genuinely believes these specific predictions, and to what extent they're a kind of pre-emptive and preparatory propaganda, intended not only to dismay and demoralize us, but also to whitewash the inevitable Russian attack and invasion as the mere 'clean-up' of the mess we have made.

"Confrontation between the clans has become open”

Q: Could you tell us about the division of the elite. Are these the democrats and the republicans?

A: No, that is not right. There are two groups in the US authorities. The first one may be called the globalists, or the Trotskyites. Leon Trotsky had already formulated their idea in the past: it’s not Russia that we need, but a world revolution. Soviet Russia was viewed by them as a base for control over the world. The second group is the statists which want prosperity for their country. Representatives of these two clans are present in both Democratic and Republican Parties. Take voting for the anti-crisis plan of Paulson, which was suggested by the Republican administration, for example. It was voted down in the Congress by the Republicans first of all.

Q: Who is in charge of the clans?

A: The key persons of the globalists are Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Vice President Dick Cheney. The key persons of the statists are Robert Gates, Defense Secretary; Michael Hayden, CIA Director; and Admiral Mike McConnell, director of national intelligence. Globalists are mainly the financial elite, and statists are the armed forces, special services and military and industrial complex. Recently the confrontation between these two clans has become open. In December last year the statists presented a report which completely denied the existence of the nuclear program in Iran. It directly contradicted conclusions made by Condoleezza Rice and Dick Cheney. The second important event took place at the hearings of the US Congress concerning the 5-day war in the Caucasus. The globalists represented by Condoleezza Rice insisted that Russia had started the war and that it would be punished for it. Georgia was the project of Condoleezza. And representatives of the intelligence community presented a diametrically opposite statement: that Georgia had started the war. We see an open confrontation between very outstanding political figures.


Again, how much of this, I wonder, is genuinely the perspective of a "top Russian political analyst" and others like him, and how much is aimed at pre-framing future Russian aggression in an advantageous propaganda context? His division of "US authorities" into "globalists" and "statists" strikes me as exceedingly odd, especially the notion of Condoleeza Rice as a kind of anti-Russia dragon lady who regards Georgia as her "project."

Q: And who’s Obama’s company?

A: The statists with Gates in charge were the key players who had enabled Obama to win. They are demanding that he change the general line in return. In this light, a very interesting factor is that Gates the Republican is viewed as the most important candidate as to whether he remains the US Defense Secretary or becomes the Secretary of State. This is the influence of the statists on the President. By the way, the first session which Obama held was with the American intelligence community.

“We have to cut the ropes tying us to Titanic.”

Q: What does the victory of the statists mean for Russia?

A: It’s a rather good chance for us, as they acted on our side in the conflict in the Caucasus. According to President Medvedev’s visit to the USA we see that he was not subject to any obstruction in relation to the events in the Caucasus. The atmosphere in Washington was rather calm and friendly.


Of course it was. In terms of "obstructions," the enemies of the U.S. can now expect few to none.

Q: What should Russia do in order to avoid shocks in relation to a possible economic collapse of the United States?

A: It should develop the rouble as the regional currency. It should form an efficient petroleum exchange which would sell oil for roubles. Several days ago an agreement was signed between Russia and Belarus on transferring payments for oil and gas to roubles. This is the beginning of establishing the ruble as the regional currency as well. We’ve been receiving our currency from Kazakhstan and Belarus for electricity already. Now our task is to try to make as many rouble contracts as possible for the year 2009 before the end of this year. In this case Russia will be able to escape the growing global crisis. We have to cut the ropes tying us to the financial “Titanic” which, in my opinion, will drown in the nearest future.


Right. They're about as "chained to the Titanic" as one of the icebergs that tore into her hull.

Yes, greed and cowardice have played their part in our decline and probable fall. But so have a near-century of infiltration, subversion, and strategic disinformation.

Even newer lies for old.

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Posted 03 February 2009 - 12:18 PM

Panarin, 60, is a professor at the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and has authored several books on information warfare.



I believe the above point is relevant...
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Posted 07 February 2009 - 08:20 PM

I believe the US will break apart, but a Russian invasion is the least of my worries. The Ruskis have bigger fish to fry, and we have taken ourselves out of world contention.

The only reason we seem to be at the center of their attention for now is, we are the only ones with the power to keep them from their goals, particularly in the Middle East. China? Ditto.

Once we are clearly no longer able to intervene in the ME, we will be ignored.

Obama, and his moron supporters, are the final phase. Alas, in the Reps are playing like morons as well. They have learned nothing, and forgotten nothing.

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 12:30 AM

I believe the US will break apart, but a Russian invasion is the least of my worries. The Ruskis have bigger fish to fry, and we have taken ourselves out of world contention.

The only reason we seem to be at the center of their attention for now is, we are the only ones with the power to keep them from their goals, particularly in the Middle East. China? Ditto.


To what "bigger fish" do you refer? What do you see as their goals in the Middle East?

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 07:31 AM

Panarin, 60, is a professor at the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and has authored several books on information warfare.

I believe the above point is relevant...



Ditto, that soiled toiletry of a professor is a propaganda minister.

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 03:46 PM

The Russian people are being prepared for war. I guess propaganda like this will help to ease the psychological shock when these events finally take place. Have no doubt that such people are told exactly what to say and that there’s a specific purpose behind it.

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Asked why he expected the U.S. to break up into separate parts, he said: "A whole range of reasons. Firstly, the financial problems in the U.S. will get worse. Millions of citizens there have lost their savings. Prices and unemployment are on the rise. General Motors and Ford are on the verge of collapse, and this means that whole cities will be left without work. Governors are already insistently demanding money from the federal center. Dissatisfaction is growing, and at the moment it is only being held back by the elections and the hope that Obama can work miracles. But by spring, it will be clear that there are no miracles."


WA State claiming State sovreignty under 10th Amendment (pdf)

New Hampshire...

Arizona, same thing...

And Michigan... (pdf)

Oklahoma... (pdf)

And Missouri...


Is there any import to these? Are these types of bills standard operating procedure? Is it to send a message to those at the FED level that these States need bailout money? Is it to placate the conservative public (without any real substance behind it)? Is it legitimate concern over economic depression, civil unrest/revolution, etc.?

I'm a little baffled by these, and by the tightness of the timing regarding all of them.

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 07:13 PM

My personal belief/suspicion is that this professor gleaned information on the economic dislocations and pitfalls of how the US economy had evolved since the 1980s. This will soften and possibly create chaos in the USA, with the anti-American bloc led by Russia and China picking off the dying carcass of the USA. It's like a powerful virus attacking an already weakened immune system and body.

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 07:27 PM

My personal belief/suspicion is that this professor gleaned information on the economic dislocations and pitfalls of how the US economy had evolved since the 1980s. This will soften and possibly create chaos in the USA, with the anti-American bloc led by Russia and China picking off the dying carcass of the USA. It's like a powerful virus attacking an already weakened immune system and body.


What you said reminded me of these I read some while back...

In Biblical form:

“I saw in my vision by night, and behold the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea. And four great beasts, different one from another, came up out of the sea. The first was like a lioness, and the wings of an eagle: I beheld till her wings were plucked off, and she was lifted up from the earth, and stood upon her feet as a man, and the heart of a man was given to her. And behold another beast like a bear stood up on one side: and there were three rows in the mouth thereof, and in the teeth thereof, and thus they said to it: Arise, devour much flesh.” – Daniel 7:2-5


Fatima's visions:

BEAR ATTACKING THE FALLEN EAGLE
Our Lady - "The eagle is plucked. He will not rise again."
Veronica saw in vision an eagle stretched out flat on his stomach, with his head hanging weakly to the side, struggling to get up. His feathers were all about him, plucked out. There were three creatures by him. Two of them were leaving his vanquished form. These two had the forms of a dragon and a lizard. The lizard had a most unusually long tongue. There was the other creature, the third, that looked like a bear, still beating on the fallen eagle. – July 15, 1970


The bear is obviously Russia while the dragon is China. The lizard I'm guessing is South American... Venezuela would be my guess. Russia of course demonstrating the worst unrelenting and excessively vindictive punishment is characteristic of how their militaristic and political attitudes have evolved.

PLUCKED BARE BY MISREPRESENTATION
"Terror shall grip the nation. I have tried to warn you, My children, that the United States is as like the eagle plucked bare by its enemies, plucked bare by misrepresentation, plucked bare by sin. Your country is very sick, My children.
"You ask Me, My child, why this cannot be stopped? You must now trust in My Son, Jesus. And when you become affrighted, you will say: My Jesus, my confidence!
"Yes, My child, no war has ever made a pretty picture.” – Our Lady, March 26, 1983


All quotes from here.

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 03:36 PM

What you said reminded me of these I read some while back...

In Biblical form:
Fatima's visions:
The bear is obviously Russia while the dragon is China. The lizard I'm guessing is South American... Venezuela would be my guess. Russia of course demonstrating the worst unrelenting and excessively vindictive punishment is characteristic of how their militaristic and political attitudes have evolved.
All quotes from here.


The prophecies that you quote are very eerie. Since you are quoting from Fatima oriented Catholic websites, you may want to read some good essays placed on the Fatima Crusader website:
(If you hadn't come across them already)
I'm only providing the links because they are VERY long and would take up too much space. ;)
Regarding Soviet Deception during glasnost
http://www.fatima.or...cr31-32pg18.asp
http://www.fatimacru...33/cr33pg24.asp
Regarding China and its Western elite supporters
http://www.fatimacru...29/cr29pg12.asp

Donald McAlvany has his issues particularly with his conspiracy oriented interpretations of history. However, he does provide good accounts of the Soviet deception campaign and Western business and political appeasement of the Reds. Hope everyone finds them informative.

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 12:57 AM

Look at the progression from Rome, through the chaos of the period from 450 to the 800s, followed up by the Holy Roman Empire.

When barbarism rises both within and without, chaos reigns.

Of course, chaos opens the door for strong men and arch generals. No more ACLU and things of that nature, everyone is too busy trying to survive.

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Posted 15 February 2009 - 06:32 AM

California will form the nucleus of what he calls "The Californian Republic," and will be part of China or under Chinese influence. Texas will be the heart of "The Texas Republic," a cluster of states that will go to Mexico or fall under Mexican influence. Washington, D.C., and New York will be part of an "Atlantic America" that may join the European Union. Canada will grab a group of Northern states Prof. Panarin calls "The Central North American Republic." Hawaii, he suggests, will be a protectorate of Japan or China, and Alaska will be subsumed into Russia.



Sounds like fun to me. I'll lead our armies down here in the South against the Mexican commies. Who will deal with the East, West, and North fronts? And after we solve that little problem and reunify the country under a second American revolution, who will we elect as our new General Washington to take the fight to the Russkie and Chicom homelands? If you guys vote for me, I'll sign over some property deeds for some of the European countries (after we conquer them, of course) to you guys.

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 09:04 PM

I suppose this would be the logical thread for this gem here:

FEMA CONCENTRATION CAMPS: Locations and Executive Orders

"Nothing to see here. Move along, citizen..."

Here's a few quick article highlights:

There over 800 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general's signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached. Ask yourself if you really want to be on Ashcroft's list.
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EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990

allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999

allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000

allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004

allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.



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Posted 20 February 2009 - 02:11 PM

I suppose this would be the logical thread for this gem here:

FEMA CONCENTRATION CAMPS: Locations and Executive Orders

"Nothing to see here. Move along, citizen..."

Here's a few quick article highlights:


Yeah, they said the same things when Bush was in power. 800 camps, fully staffed? I suppose it's possible, although it would have to be a large-scale domestic disaster to give Obama the political capital needed to send people there. And what would the determinants be for who goes there? Political leanings? Racial characteristics? Gender? Age?

It is a danger, but first must come an attack, an implosion, an Armageddon of sorts. Once we are the point that American citizens are being herded into camps, I feel that's going to be the least of our worries.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 04:00 PM

I suppose this would be the logical thread for this gem here:
FEMA CONCENTRATION CAMPS: Locations and Executive Orders
"Nothing to see here. Move along, citizen..."
Here's a few quick article highlights:

Some readers of this forum have made what we call "preparations" – that is, they've made plans and taken actions so that they will be better able to protect and provide for themselves and their family in the event of a natural disaster or a major terrorist attack with biological, chemical, or nuclear weapons. This seems to me to be quite rational. It's possible to overdo things, of course, but in general the idea is a sound one.

So I think it is also wise and prudent for the government to make contingency plans against the same possibilities. It is highly preferable to the government not making any plans at all, and just ad-libbing it, if and when disaster strikes.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 05:03 PM

Some readers of this forum have made what we call "preparations" – that is, they've made plans and taken actions so that they will be better able to protect and provide for themselves and their family in the event of a natural disaster or a major terrorist attack with biological, chemical, or nuclear weapons. This seems to me to be quite rational. It's possible to overdo things, of course, but in general the idea is a sound one.

So I think it is also wise and prudent for the government to make contingency plans against the same possibilities. It is highly preferable to the government not making any plans at all, and just ad-libbing it, if and when disaster strikes.



My post shouldn't be confused with preparations. Whether someone considers the article details as preparations or Obama's book on "How to Serve Man" is up to them. I was highlighting what the article deemed as prison camps and stayed within that scope of the article. It wasn't an expression of my viewpoint even though I made the funny mocking quote. I understand what 'preparations' are, I've got the MRE's to prove it :rolleyes: ... There evidently seems to be a misunderstanding.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 05:29 PM

My post shouldn't be confused with preparations. Whether someone considers the article details as preparations or Obama's book on "How to Serve Man" is up to them. I was highlighting what the article deemed as prison camps and stayed within that scope of the article. It wasn't an expression of my viewpoint even though I made the funny mocking quote. I understand what 'preparations' are, I've got the MRE's to prove it :rolleyes: ... There evidently seems to be a misunderstanding.

With all due respect, TOG, I think you may be misunderstanding the thrust of that particular website. It lists a series of Executive Orders related to national emergencies, and includes a list of military and FEMA facilities that looks to be at least ten years old. Most or all of the Executive Orders listed are also quite old. The article itself was written way before Barack Obama's election.

If you read the article carefully, and especially if you are familiar with similar sites, you should realize that the site owner is pushing the idea that the U.S. government, and not any external government, is the American citizen's worst enemy, just itching to install a police state, which will it will probably do by the use of a "false flag" terror attack.

Ironically, I think that in the event of a national emergency, the promoters of such ideas may well end up in some sort of prison camp because they are likely to obstruct government emergency workers and get themselves in armed stand-offs.

But, hey, it's a free country. Everyone is entitled to their point of view.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 05:40 PM

With all due respect, TOG, I think you may be misunderstanding the thrust of that particular website. It lists a series of Executive Orders related to national emergencies, and includes a list of military and FEMA facilities that looks to be at least ten years old. Most or all of the Executive Orders listed are also quite old. The article itself was written way before Barack Obama's election.

If you read the article carefully, and especially if you are familiar with similar sites, you should realize that the site owner is pushing the idea that the U.S. government, and not any external government, is the American citizen's worst enemy, just itching to install a police state, which will it will probably do by the use of a "false flag" terror attack.

Ironically, I think that in the event of a national emergency, the promoters of such ideas may well end up in some sort of prison camp because they are likely to obstruct government emergency workers and get themselves in armed stand-offs.

But, hey, it's a free country. Everyone is entitled to their point of view.


I understood perfectly well the aim of that website and that it may have been written before Obama's time. My point was just to bring it out, and as I said, not necessarily claim that as a view of my own. It was a post as any other post usually is when someone wants to say "look at this, what do you think?" With all due respect back, I'm not clueless, I understood the article's undertones.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 06:12 PM

I understood perfectly well the aim of that website and that it may have been written before Obama's time. My point was just to bring it out, and as I said, not necessarily claim that as a view of my own. It was a post as any other post usually is when someone wants to say "look at this, what do you think?" With all due respect back, I'm not clueless, I understood the article's undertones.

We've dealt with the NWO theorism issue countless times, don't you know?