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Posted 30 April 2007 - 12:44 PM

The previous Grey Terror thread, at 29 pages, was gettng a bit long. This continues the thread topic.....

Link to previous Grey Terror thread, for your reference:

http://thefinalphase...hp?showtopic=64

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Posted 30 April 2007 - 01:28 PM

Major Freeway Interchange In SF Bay Area Destroyed - Worst Impact to Freeway System Since '89 Quake

http://www.ktvu.com/...992/detail.html

Seems to have been a single driver crash affecting only the gasoline tanker. Other extenuating circumstances include the generally terrible condition of California freeways. This particular infrastructure element dates back to before the freeway era, when Cal Trans built flyovers and moved US-40 to be a bypass away from San Pablo Avenue/ Old US 40. Prior to that, the intersection of West Grand Avenue (old US-50) and San Pablo (Old US-40) was an utter nightmare during commute hours. This work was done right after WW2. There was an upgrade done when US-40 was upgraded to I-80 and when I-580 bypassed old US-50. That upgrade tied in a somewhat upgraded old Route 17. During the 1970s and early 80s, when Route 17 was upgraded to I-880, then more upgrades then again after the '89 quake. But the core, like the spiritual core of California, had gotten rotten. All it took was a tanker fire to bring it down. Was there grey terror involved? We shall see if there is any thing to suspect or it was a mere instance of bad luck and decaying infrastructure.

Map: http://www.nbc11.com...910/detail.html

http://www.insidebay...bune/ci_5783760

Interesting perspective. A real teachable moment.

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Posted 08 May 2007 - 02:08 PM

REAL WORLD ALERT - Islamonazi (GRU recruited?) Cell Stung by FBI - Was Planning Attack on Ft. Dix

http://www.freep.com...e...08010&imw=Y

Video, setup led to arrest of 6 accused of Ft. Dix attack plot

May 8, 2007

By JOHN SHIFFMAN

PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER

CAMDEN, N.J. — The FBI arrested six people Monday night, including five in Cherry Hill, N.J., for an alleged plot to kill soldiers at Ft. Dix, several federal officials said.

“If you want to do anything here, there is Ft. Dix and I don’t want to exaggerate, and I assure that you can hit an American base very easily,” one of the men told an FBI informant, according to the FBI. “You take a map and draw it and then you calculate that there are areas where there are 100 to 200 invididuals ...

“When you got a military base, you need mortars and RPGs,” the man allegedly said.

“My intent is to hit a heavy concentration of soldiers,” the man on the tape said. “You hit four, five or six Humvees and light the whole place up.”

Greg Reinhert, a Justice Department spokesman in Camden, N.J., described the six as “Islamic radicals ... who were involved in a plot to kill U.S. soldiers at Ft. Dix in New Jersey.”

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Posted 08 May 2007 - 05:04 PM

Fort Dix, NJ Target of Terror Plot

The above link has all of the latest information which I personally collected in an on-the-scene investigation, as well as the FBI Criminal Complaint in .pdf format; my interview this morning on WIBG 1020 with Rick Brancadora and the news was breaking nationally. For those who live in the Houston Texas area I just got off the phone from a live interview with Chris Baker at KTRH 740 AM. The podcast of hour 2 will go up shortly on this page:
KTRH ON DEMAND: Chris Baker Podcasts

Back to the .pdf criminal complaint. Within the document are truly exceptional details and insight on exactly how islamist terror cells plan, train and conduct their affairs for months and months prior to actually launching a strike. These terrorists pattenerned their jihadi plans specifically after Al Qaeda templates - and we all know that Ayman al-Zawahiri is an FSB agent of influence at the very top of the AQ chain-of-command.

This groups intent was to strike the "cantonment area" of Ft. Dix.

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"f. On or about November 28, 2006, SERDAR TATAR acquired a map of the United States Army base at Fort Dix, New Jersey, labeled "Cantonment Area Fort Dix, NJ" to be distributed to others."

Reference: http://www.atsdr.cdc...dix/for_p1.html

"The Cantonment Area occupies approximately one-third of the installation. A smaller, undeveloped area southeast of the Cantonment Area is the Training Area. The undeveloped eastern two-thirds of the installation are designated the Range and Impact Area. McGuire Air Force Base borders the installation to the north and lies between the Cantonment and the Range and Impact Areas."

The "Cantonment Area" is the area in the above map where the line from Fort Dix terminates, the western most area of Ft. Dix.. Smack dab in the center of this area. The cantonment area has three access gates. The Wrightstown Gate is the western most. To the east on Texas Avenue is an access gate to McGuire AFB and further down is the Browns Mills (Texas Avenue) Gate.

Assaulting soldiers in the cantonment area with M-16', AK-47's and RPG's would have been a total slaughter. There are no armed soldiers anywhere in the Cantonment Area. The post Class Six (Conveinence/Liquor) and Dunkin' Donuts store is located here, directly adjacent to the post gas station and a Burger King. Nearby is the PX and Commissary. These terrorists were going to slaughter anyone and every one in their path.

Their homes were in urban America, a/k/a Cherry Hill NJ. Other terrorists of this type are in a neighborhood near you. That is an absolute certainty. Sulejman Talovic lived in such a neighborhood. So did Mohammed Atta and the 9/11 highjackers. So did Hussein al-Husseini, both before and afterwards the 1995 OKC bombing - recently he went underground - no longer at his Bostan, MA urban residence.

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Back to this interdicted plot. 22-year old [/u][/i][/b] was THE long-range area targets reconnaissance man for this cell. He reconned Ft. Monmouth, Lakehurst, Earle NAVWEPSTA and other area facilities. 27-year old Serdar TATAR was the pizza delivery man, and thus he the on-post reconnaissance man. That's close-up, real-time, inside the perimeter reconnaissance. The pizza-reconn terrorist TATAR knew the exact location of the target and briefed other member of the cell with the acquired map of the Ft. Dix cantonment area. The three Albanian brothers of the Duka family are all illegally in the US according to the criminal complaint.

Now, look at this from Tony Snow...

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"White House spokesman Tony Snow said Tuesday there is "no direct evidence" that the men have ties to international terrorism. "They are not charged with being members of an international terrorism organization," Snow said. "At least at this point, there is no evidence that they received direction from international terror organizations." Asked if the men had any ties to al-Qaida, Snow referred questions to the FBI and the U.S. attorney, but said those officials "seem to indicate that there is no direct evidence of a foreign terrorist tie."


"U.S. Rep. Chris Smith, R-N.J., said... they also watched Osama bin Laden videos."




No ties to al-Qaida?

WHO CARES if they were rank and file AQ or not?!?!

The now infamous "Dix Six" were an active cell of Islamofascist insurgents in the urban American heartland who originated in the muslim nations of Albania, Turkey and Jordan. Period.

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Posted 08 May 2007 - 08:31 PM

I just got back from Fort Monmouth this last weekend. After working for many hours in a very secure facility I was surprised one afternoon when I went to lunch to see a pizza man came walking into a nearby secure area without an apparant escort.

Who can you trust if you can't trust the pizza man! If some of them are willing to wage jihad, how many spit in my pizza!

All joking aside, nice work to those that reported this behavior that ended up as a law enforcement victory.

A couple of years ago a colleque of mine at Monmouth reported a muslim fellow casing the area beyond the fence line with a camera...

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Posted 08 May 2007 - 08:37 PM

Fort Dix target of terror plot UPDATE I just expanded upon something I posted here first. Along with other content derived from the terrorist video and the FBI criminal complaint.

8 May 2007 UPDATE 9:30 PM: Based upon open source (OSINT) reporting the six arrests made last night by federal law enforcement officers constitutes only a partial apprehension of the active Al Qaeda-inspired terrorist cell. This information is derived from the video the terrorists had attempted to get converted into a DVD for further distribution. Videographic details within the recording reveal there were a total of 10 jihadists live-firing assault weapons, calling for jihad along with the traditional "allah hu akhbar" refrain. A remainder of at least 4 members of the cell are therefore still-at-large and, also based upon the video evidence of assault weapons training, must be considered heavily armed and extremely dangerous. Additionally other sources indicate that as many as 6 other individuals who acted in support roles for this cell also remain at-large. It must also be surmised that ongoing interrogations of the 6 arrested terrorists by federal law enforcement is focused upon locating the remnant cell members. Additionally, the cell members may all have known the location of the video store. That still unidentified business and its employees can be assessed be at great risk of potential terrorist retribution.

The suburban nature of this terror plot has been a continual focus of reporting of the Northeast Intelligence Netork over the past several years. It cannot be over-emphasized as it proves beyond any doubt that those who claim we engage in "fear mongering" or other such nonsense simply are clueless in the statements they habitually make.

These terrorists homes are in urban America. Places like Cherry Hill, New Jersey and YourTown, USA. Other terrorists of this exact same type are living in a neighborhood somewhere in suburban or urban America, perhaps as the people of Cherry Hill learned this morning they may be living near or literally across the street from your own home. Sulejman Talovic lived in such a neighborhood, as did John Muhammed (aka the "DC Sniper"). So did Mohammed Atta and the 9/11 highjackers. So did Hussein al-Husseini, both before and in the aftermath the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. He recently disappeared and is no longer to be found at his Boston, MA suburban residence imaged directly below.

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Where is Hussein al-Hussaini?

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Posted 08 May 2007 - 08:43 PM

"There are no armed soldiers anywhere in the Cantonment Area."

This is madness. U.S Armed Forces should be able to carry a weapon off duty or on duty.

Throw out the foolish P.C ideas that never worked and never will, before more of us get killed!

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Posted 08 May 2007 - 09:05 PM

Considering that much of the US is made up of suburban communities, it makes a lot of sense that these guys are often our neighbors. That still doesn't change the fact that these guys were easy pickens’ for a video store clerk. How hard is it to buy a DVD burner and make their own movies? That indicates that they were not well funded and rather unsophisticated.

I admit that I don't know all the details on this particular bust, but it appears that these guys didn't even get passed the local video store. They were identified and now nabbed looooong before gaining the capability to launch the kind of attack the media would have us believe was imminent.

They were identified over a year ago and still hadn't purchased much more than a few semi-automatics and some paint guns.... Sounds like I'm better armed than these guys were. I'm far more worried about the bad guys that are still under the radar plotting something more sinister than 911... The same types that live in suburban America but are far more sophisticated.

Food for thought.

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Posted 08 May 2007 - 09:32 PM

I suggest everyone read that FBI Criminal Complaint in its entirety and pay attention to the details. Those details are astounding and show exactly what the modus operandi of this cell was. It was the early mistakes which placed them in the federal law enforcement cross hairs - were it not for those errors - there might very well have been a lot of dead soldiers and civilians on Ft. Dix in the near-term. And had they not missed their window of opportunity, the December 2, 2006 Army-Navy game at Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia might have been the mass-casualty attack vice the attack planned to occur at Ft. Dix in the very near term. We dodged a bunch of bullets with the takedown of this cell. Thank God the FBI's OpSec was superior to that practiced by this cell.

Still... there are armed cell members and half a dozen supporters still at large in the Cherry Hill-Ft. Dix region.

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Posted 08 May 2007 - 09:52 PM

Sean,

Considering your apparant background, you know as well as I do that these guys were brought down because of their intention to buy what is considered illegal weapons. The FBI knew their MO over a year ago and found it compelling enough to find a way to bring them down in the off chance they actually might score the weapons they were after. Buying those weapons on the black market is far more riskier than bomb making in the garage and yet they still fell for it.

The point is-- these guys were bad news but they were still amatures. They were played like flutes by LE since April and that is exactly what the affidavit says. They needed to be taken down and LE did exactly what it takes to make that happen! Outstanding!!

We may one day get hit hard-- but not without our guys taking down plenty of bad guys first. We scored another point against losers and killers today!

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 06:01 AM

http://www.homelands...us.com/node/996


The Reality of the "Ft. Dix Six"

By Sean Osborne, Associate Director, Military Affairs

As a civilian contractor employee based at the US Army PEO C3T Northeast Regional Response Center, Ft. Dix, New Jersey, I want to make clear the specifics I have determined to be true concerning the radical islamist cell now exposed by the diligent work of federal law enforcement.

1. The now infamous "Ft. Dix Six" was actually a cell of 10 Al Qaeda jihadists-in-training.

2. The members of this cell were specifically inspired by Osama bin Laden and swore an oath to the Al Qaeda vision of jihad against the United States of America. Period. The cell members were in possession of numerous Al Qaeda media and jihad training products.

3. Their specific intent was to mimic Al Qaeda ambush tactics executed against US troops in Iraq and apply those tactics here in my home state of New Jersey, ultimately resolving their long-term planning to a target environment in which I work in on a daily basis - the cantonment area of Ft. Dix.

These statements are my own and do not necessarily reflect the opinions, positions, policies, or sentiments of the United States Army, the Department of Defense, or any branch or variations thereof.

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 06:29 AM

you know as well as I do that these guys were brought down because of their intention to buy what is considered illegal weapons.


Hunter,

This cell - all 10 of them - are seen in the January 2006 video they made. This is before the FBI knew of their existence. The vieo details their wearing combat fatigues, firing fully-automatic AK's with 30-round clips on the grounds of the Gouldsboro, PA shooting range. That activity was immediately reported to federal law enforcement, and began the process of federal scrutiny. The video tape itself was clinching documentary evidence that the reports coming from Gouldsboro were accurate.

The tape proves this cell was already in possession of a specific number of fully automatic assault weapons. The additional purchases of handguns, shot guns and semi-auto assault weapons in January 2007 was to fully equip their intended assault team. They conducted tactical training based upon Al Qaeda training materials with these weapons during February and March 2007 in Cherry Hill, NJ. Federal LE alllowed this activity to continue, keeping the primes under direct surveillance.

The final attempted purchase in April 2007 of fully auto AK-47's, M-16's and additional handguns was the trigger for the arrest warrants to be issued. However, at any time this cell could have executed their strike at Dix with the weapons they possessed - and therein lies my only beef with federal law enforcement - no heads up was issued to force protection officers at any installation - Dix, Monmouth, Lakehurst, etc - which would have resulted in advisories to military and civilian employees for increased vigilence or raising the force protection level from A+ to Bravo as it now is and has been since the arrests were made.

The main gate at Ft. Dix yesterday was a massive potential killing zone with hundreds of unarmed members of the Dix workforce backed-up in a traffic gridlock - with four heavily armed cell members still at-large.

Kudo's to the FBI and other federal LE for their diligent work. In hindsight they did made some tactical mistakes which, hopefully, will be used as learning tools.

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 09:35 AM

They were firing semi-automatic AK47s at that range and the bad guys only had three of them that they shared. According to OSINT (… that would be public internet search) there were only three semi-automatic AK47s and the perps were unable to get any selective fire weapons. The US attorney for NJ stated yesterday in certain terms that they had not yet been able to obtain automatic weapons.

http://www.poconorec...90346/-1/NEWS01

Finally, I think the reason the alert didn’t go out before the arrests is because, according to the complaint, the bad guys were under constant surveillance. The so called “CW-1” informant was also with these guys much of the time. Also, according to the complaint, the bad guys never made a specific target date. In fact they were probably months away from attacking… you know as well as I do that raising a security level when potential problems are not imminent leads to complacency.

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 12:45 PM

These guys are pretty young and not in truly professional positions. Which is why I am very concerned. There may be higher ups, also local to the area, who are guys in their 40s or 50s, who have "legends" as managers, engineers, bankers, etc. Some may recall this. One of the planners of 9/11 (I can't recall the name) was actually the CEO of a high tech firm here in the Bay Area a few years prior. Indeed, there are not only young (and in this case, stupid) guns right where you and I may be, in the midst of Hometown USA, but also, there are older, even more dangerous people, who may command entire networks of cells, living in a stately home near you.

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 01:18 PM

Reading the affidavit-- which was an interesting document revealing a lot about these people-- it is clear they did not have selective fire AK 47s at all-- semi auto or automatic-- they just didn't have them... that doesn't mean they could not have inflicted plenty of damage. They did have an SKS assault rifle (that looks similar to an AK 47) so there seems to be some misinformation about this whole subject.

There is some discrepancy with the reporting because according to the affidavit, as of March, 2007 these guys only had five guns in total and NONE of them were AK 47s. It is recorded fact that the guns they had included:

1 .357 handgun
1 9mm berretta handgun
1 SKS semi auto rifle
1 Berretta Storm semi-auto rifle
1 Mossberg 12 guage shotgun

What is even more odd is that as of March 2007 the perps were talking about getting AK 47s and used language indicating they had not actually used AKs since before coming to America....

It turns out it was their attempt to purchase AK 47s, M16s, and RPGs that ended up getting them busted.

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 01:52 PM

Who can you trust if you can't trust the pizza man! If some of them are willing to wage jihad, how many spit in my pizza!



Always, always, always.....order pizza from places with Italian names. For example...Gino's, Tony's, Alberto's, Johnny's, etc. Always check to make sure the American and Italian flags are hung proudly in or around the premises. Maps of Italy and Italian World Cup Soccer Team photos on the walls mean that you will have yourself a damn good pizza. ES's tip of the day.


These guys are pretty young and not in truly professional positions. Which is why I am very concerned.

There may be higher ups, also local to the area, who are guys in their 40s or 50s, who have "legends" as managers, engineers, bankers, etc.

Some may recall this. One of the planners of 9/11 (I can't recall the name) was actually the CEO of a high tech firm here in the Bay Area a few years prior.

Indeed, there are not only young (and in this case, stupid) guns right where you and I may be, in the midst of Hometown USA, but also, there are older, even more dangerous people, who may command entire networks of cells, living in a stately home near you.



BM....I wonder if these guys were prodded by a more sinister group as sort of a misdirection. Waste FBI and other LEO's time and resources while the real jihadis sneak around in their tanker trucks or a cab with a suitcase nuke. Just my thoughts.

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 02:04 PM

Thanks for the tip!!

At first I thought your misdirection idea was spot on but... if they were intentionally trying to mislead law enforcement, why would they get themselves arrested by trying to buy AK 47s and such? Seems like they'd keep trying to mislead LE without actually ever committing a real crime....

The sinister story in all this is that how many other homegrown bad guys are there out there planning other such events?

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 04:33 PM

Been over at Free Republic a bit. Some things that are quite disturbing are starting to emerge. There may be an Albanian network of much larger proportions than this small cell. Remember Thomas Pochari? Google on his name and you will find all sorts of vile Islamonazi filth written by him and those he associates with. Many Islamonazis from Eastern Europe and Western Asia have a very Western, in some cases (as with Pochari) even Nordic appearance. They don't look at all middle eastern. We've discussed this before. Now it's really happening. Another note, it would also be easy for a Russian GRU agent (whether Russian or from the "other people" in Russia) to feign being an Eastern Euro Islamonazi. Here's a new article on this situation:

http://www.forbes.co.../ap3704543.html

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 05:10 PM

They were firing semi-automatic AK47s at that range and the bad guys only had three of them that they shared. According to OSINT


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The originating source was one or more of the eyewitnesses who were some distance from the 10 jihadi's practicing at Gouldsboro in January 2006. The high capacity multi-round banana clips are a fact. The semi-automatic nature is assumed since no one reported full auto firing. I can't wait for this video to be released in its entirety.

Therefore, given the semi-auto nature of the AK's the following is a high-probability hypothesis:

At any time had any three of this Al-Qaeda-inspired and allegiant cell chosen to act surreptitiously or unbeknownst to the highly suspected informants during any given lunch hour neither of the two DoD policemen at the Ft. Dix Wrightown Gate would've stood a chance in a million of repelling such an assault. Thereafter military and civilian personnel in the cantonment area would have been slaughtered enmasse in short order as those areas are a mere two minute jog from the Wrightstown Gate.[/i] We definitely dodged many bullets here and those bullets would been fired point blank.

Finally, I think the reason the alert didn’t go out before the arrests is because, according to the complaint, the bad guys were under constant surveillance.


It remains to be proven that the federal surveillance was effectively 24/7/365.


The so called “CW-1” informant was also with these guys much of the time. Also, according to the complaint, the bad guys never made a specific target date.


Of course they didn't tell him that. They didn't trust him, they believed he was a federal agent. CW-1 is lucky to be alive. And at least on primary cell member told him point blank it did not matter if he (CW-1) was an FBI informant because they would launch the attack irregardless.


In fact they were probably months away from attacking…


I'm sorry, but that's not an established fact. The fact and I understand it from joint terrorism task force sources is that the FBI decided to make the arrests because of specifics which have not been released, were not a part of the criminal complaint or were specifically redacted from it prior to approval given the US Attorney. This is due to the high probability that the under-suspicion informants were not privy to all operational details of the executable plan.

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 05:47 PM

Sean - what is the deal with Eastern Euro Muslims and roofing companies? Check this out:

http://www.thebrookl...?section=people